Hi,

I've followed up with a PR [1] based on the comments from Pedro Matias
and Rok so we have this documented. See that PR for the documentation
changes.

Regards,
Raúl

[1] https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/55260

El mar, 22 sept 2026 a las 10:57, Jean-Baptiste Onofré
(<[email protected]>) escribió:
>
> Discussions must take place publicly, even between contributors from the
> same company.
>
> At the ASF, we contribute as individuals, so company affiliation does not
> matter here; we are all project contributors.
>
> All discussions and decisions should happen on the dev mailing list.
> Discussions regarding quality and implementation should also take place
> publicly on the relevant PR or the dev mailing list.
>
> Regards,
> JB
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2026 at 8:04 PM Dmitry Chirkov <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I like Rok's proposed approach.
> >
> > Pedro and I discussed this topic offline. While we can have private,
> > internal conversations with authors regarding contribution quality within
> > the company, open source contributions lack direct messaging capabilities.
> > As a result, this interaction - unfortunately - needs to take place
> > publicly.
> >
> > Dmitry Chirkov,
> >         Dremio
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 21, 2026 at 9:40 AM Rok Mihevc <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Agreed with Pedro's proposal as well!
> > >
> > > I'd suggest another item here: let's introduce a GitHub label:
> > > "needs-author-engagement". Reviewer could use this label to flag PRs that
> > > require substantial responses from their authors before a productive
> > review
> > > can continue. This label should not focus on AI use, but rather on the
> > > author's observable understanding of the PR's subject matter and their
> > > engagement with reviewer feedback. Such label would also help other
> > > reviewers avoid duplicate effort and serve as feedback to the author of
> > the
> > > PR.
> > >
> > > Rok
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2026 at 6:24 PM Nic Crane <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Pedro,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for raising this issue, and I think it's very timely in that
> > many
> > > of
> > > > us are experiencing similar issues.  Your proposal sounds good to me.
> > > >
> > > > Nic
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 18 Sept 2026 at 10:33, Pedro Matias <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like to revive this thread. My goal is simple: I want to discuss
> > > > > establishing guidelines for reviewers, especially those of us who are
> > > not
> > > > > Arrow committers/PMCs, on how to handle low-quality PRs with weak
> > > > > engagement. The community added AI guidelines for contributors, but
> > not
> > > > for
> > > > > reviewers: https://arrow.apache.org/docs/developers/reviewing.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Lately I've been reviewing a PR that I think fits this description.
> > > I've
> > > > > pointed the person to the AI guidelines at
> > > > >
> > > https://arrow.apache.org/docs/developers/overview.html#ai-generated-code
> > > > ,
> > > > > but the guidelines were ignored. I can continue steering the code
> > with
> > > > > reviews, but I am afraid this might encourage others to repeat this
> > > > pattern
> > > > > of weak engagement.
> > > > >
> > > > > I repeat R. Tyler Croy's ask: "don't rely on everybody following the
> > > > rules,
> > > > > and come up with an agreed upon way to handle those that don't."
> > > > >
> > > > > I looked into other projects to see if any of them have something
> > > > similar.
> > > > > LLVM has guidance [0] on both how to warn the contributor and when to
> > > > > escalate to someone with permission to lock the conversation, as well
> > > as
> > > > a
> > > > > label that can be added to a low effort PR.
> > > > >
> > > > > I propose we add a section titled "Handling violations of the AI
> > > > > contribution guidelines" to the reviewer guidelines. I wrote a small
> > > > draft
> > > > > [1] of what it could look like. I'm happy to iterate on it if people
> > > > think
> > > > > this is something worth adding.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm particularly curious about what committers/PMC members think
> > should
> > > > be
> > > > > the way for read-only reviewers to escalate to maintainers. The
> > current
> > > > > proposal suggests pinging someone, which might be too noisy.
> > > > >
> > > > > 0- https://llvm.org/docs/AIToolPolicy.html#handling-violations
> > > > >
> > > > > 1- When a reviewer finds that a contribution does not seem to conform
> > > to
> > > > > the guidelines for AI usage, they should respond with the following
> > > > > message:
> > > > > "
> > > > > This PR does not seem to meet the standards for AI generated
> > > > contributions.
> > > > > Please read the guidelines at
> > > > >
> > > https://arrow.apache.org/docs/developers/overview.html#ai-generated-code
> > > > > and ensure you modify your PR to conform to the rules.
> > > > > "
> > > > > If the contributor fails to adapt their work and/or engagement level
> > to
> > > > > meet the guidelines' standards, maintainers may close the PR.
> > Reviewers
> > > > > without permission to close the PR should escalate by pinging a
> > > > maintainer
> > > > > via comment indicating that they do not believe the change meets the
> > > > > standards.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Pedro Matias
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2026 at 3:53 PM Nic Crane <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On a similar note, after conversations with folks around what
> > appear
> > > to
> > > > > be
> > > > > > AI-generated mailing list responses, I've also opened a PR
> > suggesting
> > > > > > people disclose any AI-generated questions they post to mailing
> > list
> > > > > > discussions; feel free to add any comments there (if you're a
> > human!
> > > > ;) )
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/49277/changes
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 at 20:42, Nic Crane <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > PR here for anyone interested:
> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/48952
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 at 09:56, Nic Crane <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Thanks Andrew, I really like how you spell out the reasoning
> > > around
> > > > > it,
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > >> will see how we can incorporate some of those ideas
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 at 09:23, Andrew Lamb <[email protected]
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> > We have had repeated attempts at contributions by some folks
> > > who
> > > > > > simply
> > > > > > >>> do not understand their generated code and when asked for
> > > > > > clarification,
> > > > > > >>> have the LLM generate more incorrect commentary.  It's very
> > > > > > >>> Dunning-Krueger
> > > > > > >>> and leads to lots of frustration all around.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> We saw this too in DataFusion and I was pleased with what we
> > came
> > > > up
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > >>> for rationale about why it is not helpful[1]. Basically the
> > > > reviewers
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > >>> more efficient using the LLM tools directly and the contributor
> > > > isn't
> > > > > > >>> learning anything either.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Andrew
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> [1]:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > https://datafusion.apache.org/contributor-guide/index.html#why-fully-ai-generated-prs-without-understanding-are-not-helpful
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2026 at 12:48 PM R Tyler Croy <
> > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> > (replies inline)
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> > On Sunday, January 18th, 2026 at 7:43 PM, Gang Wu <
> > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > >>> > wrote:
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> > > - Summitters should review all lines of generated code
> > before
> > > > > > >>> creating
> > > > > > >>> > the
> > > > > > >>> > > PR to
> > > > > > >>> > > understand every piece of detail just like they are written
> > > by
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >>> > > submitters
> > > > > > >>> > > themselves.
> > > > > > >>> > > - AI tools are notorious for generating overly verbose
> > > > comments,
> > > > > > >>> > unnecessary
> > > > > > >>> > > test cases, fixing test failures using wrong approaches,
> > etc.
> > > > > Make
> > > > > > >>> sure
> > > > > > >>> > > these
> > > > > > >>> > > are checked and fixed.
> > > > > > >>> > > - Reviewers are humans, so please try to break down large
> > PRs
> > > > > into
> > > > > > >>> > smaller
> > > > > > >>> > > ones to make reviewers' life easier to get PRs promptly
> > > > reviewed.
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> > Like others I think Nic's draft is a good one, I would like
> > to
> > > > > offer
> > > > > > >>> some
> > > > > > >>> > thoughts as a maintainer (delta-rs) which has received
> > > increased
> > > > > > >>> > AI-assisted pull requests over the past six months.
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> > The "PR may be closed without further review" statement I
> > would
> > > > > > >>> strongly
> > > > > > >>> > encourage moving to the very beginning of the policy.  I
> > would
> > > > also
> > > > > > >>> > encourage labels being used like "ai-assisted" to signal to
> > > other
> > > > > > >>> > contributors who may or may not wish to engage in reviewing
> > > > > potential
> > > > > > >>> slop.
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> > We have had repeated attempts at contributions by some folks
> > > who
> > > > > > >>> simply do
> > > > > > >>> > not understand their generated code and when asked for
> > > > > clarification,
> > > > > > >>> have
> > > > > > >>> > the LLM generate more incorrect commentary.  It's very
> > > > > > Dunning-Krueger
> > > > > > >>> and
> > > > > > >>> > leads to lots of frustration all around.
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> > Like most policies it's important to speak to those that are
> > > > acting
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > >>> > good faith but don't rely on everybody following the rules,
> > and
> > > > > come
> > > > > > up
> > > > > > >>> > with an agreed upon way to handle those that don't.
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> > Either way I think it's good to ship! :)
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> > Cheers
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >

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