> > I found this:
> >
> >     http://www.java.no/web/moter/moteSep02/AOP_files/frame.html

Ricard is working with my buddy Joe Walnes on a book that includes a project 
'PetSoar'.  For that
they have created a bespoke container that uses a generic and interfaceless form of 
IoC.  It does
not leverage Avalon at all, but at least they mention it in the book.  Another 
container, with its
own component lacing scheme.  At least there are new (and significant) allies to our 
cause now. 
Can't convince Joe on logging though :-(

Regards,

- Paul



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