Steve, vetoes are _not_ how we want to work things out. This is *not* productive (see my earlier mail about my view of productivity). Please reconsider throwing more annoying vetoes into the party about stuff which has not been aptly discussed.

Here's how development works: we interpret were we're moving as a project and what we need as a project, and act based on that. If we're not sure everyone agrees with those acts, we draft a proposal before committing stuff. When we are, we just commit, and things are subject to lazy consensus.

If we shouldn't have been sure because there isn't in fact a consensus, the thing to do is to bring the actions and commits up for discussion. *Not* just throw a veto out without discussion. Vetoes make it more difficult to build consensus, and consensus is what we like.

Why don't you retract your veto, take a look at Eung-ju's patch, rework it to be fully compliant with the existing phoenix cli options, and propose the modified patch as a replacement. Everybody happy.

vetoes -- bleh.

- Leo

Stephen McConnell wrote:

-1 (veto)


donaldp 2003/03/12 05:01:38

 Modified:    .        build.xml
              src/java/org/apache/avalon/phoenix/frontends CLISetup.java
 Removed:     lib/container excalibur-cli-1.0.jar
 Log:
 Remove away from excalibur-cli which has been axed.



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