Hi Hammett,

> 
> > 1) Developers in that environment have special needs:
> >
> >     a) ease of use. This is the most important thing! They do not
> > want to care about technical things - they want to concentrate on
> > business logic. No factories, no xml, even no connection handling,
no
> > SQL if possible. Just POJOs - all as easy as possible.
> 
> Yes, yes!!! I'm looking forward to this, too!
> 

:-) let's join forces

> 
> Losing? Where? The imperative level of transactional management I'm
> proposing here is the same offered by EJB. It is clean and works.
Don't
> see
> why it would be a problem.
> 

If you have complex object models, you will use BMP - and have to manage
your own transactions there. 

The problem here is that you have to know which objects are covered by a
transaction. For the component interface (service) this is done by the
interceptor framework. That's ok. But the domain objects? And what's
about if you have a query and get a collection of domain objects?. 

Or if you navigate from one object to an other. How do you know, whether
this object is "persistable" and covered by a transaction?

In my experience, Hibernate is doing an excellent job here. EJB is a
poor solution for such problems.

Andreas

> 
> regards,
> hammett
> 
> 
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