On Friday 05 March 2004 05:17, Berin Loritsch wrote:
> Avalon needs a future

Pronto!

> It means that you should trim the fat and work from there.  

Agree. "We have landed on the beach, burnt the ship. Move forward."

> This is the first step of simplification.  Tell me if I am wrong if that
> does not simplify the tool requirements.

if "that" == "trimming fat"  then Agree
if "that" == "any simplification" then Not Agree.

> In the corner of meta-data/meta-info/ meta-whatever-you-want-to-call-it

I have the feeling that this is already to far away a concern at this point to 
talk about implementation features, when Vision, Mission and Purpose is not 
solidly established.

> Sure you can define the set of annotations for
> Avalon 5 and make that part of the framework.  I would really prefer it if
> you did.  You still have a well defined set of contracts, but you also have
> some room to expand to support different tools.

I read in this "Framework" as a variant of "AF4", which IMHO is an utterly 
incomplete Component Contract (proof? >=4 incompatible containers).
If Avalon is not stepping up the ambition to be Component Oriented, and keep 
being "Framework Oriented", then I think we don't have a Purpose, definately 
not a Vision.


Cheers
Niclas
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