On Tuesday 27 July 2004 11:44, J Aaron Farr wrote: > 1. What goes with Merlin? > > Initially just about everything.
More explicitly all except; Framework LogKit Cornerstone either stays here, or will end up on AvalonPlanet when we have gotten that far (1-2years :o) ) > 2. What can be or should be more generic? > maybe there needs to be a ASF Build Tool Federation for > things like Ant, Maven, Gump and Magic... Sounds like a good idea, except that Ant, Maven and Gump are already top-level projects, and ASF doesn't have a unifying umbrella structure available for cross-project collaboration. That is a very different issue. Personally I think Magic will be fairly wide-spread over time, since I have already heard about people who has no affiliation with Avalon nor me, inquiring other friends of mine about it. So unless, Maven2 gets something very right, Magic could be heading towards its own community, but _I_ think that is several months away before even worth discussing it to a great extent. We have made a principal agreement to try to factor out Avalon Repository into even more generic parts, possibly allowing for a distinction between the Artifact download and the Classloading/Bootstrap part. Avalon Logging is another area, strongly tied to the Repository system, but the whole 'problem domain' of classloading in respect of loggers should be handled by Log4J & Co, but they seem to view this as a non-issue. It is very much a 'influence + wait' on our part. > 3. What's left in Avalon? > I once compared Avalon to a sort of Xerox PARC project: lots of cool > ideas started here but never took off until they *left* Avalon. In > fact, I don't really mind that. Perhaps Avalon could remain a place of > experimentation in IoC/SoC/COP development, spinning off new > technologies when they begin to mature and show promise. Perhaps a nice thought. Considering that Avalon over the years have managed to touch upon just about every horizontal technology, from tiny embeddable systems to application servers, web, swing, logging, classloading and what not, perhaps the Avalon mission is related in strengthening "other" areas by research and experimentation. I honestly doesn't know. Cheers Niclas -- +------//-------------------+ / http://www.bali.ac / / http://niclas.hedhman.org / +------//-------------------+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
