en, I hope we can reach a consistent solution. I prefer the behavior of the
solution is the same as Avro Server/Transceiver pair because they are used
now in the release package. The same behavior to the API customers is
important. If the Server/Transceiver design is not good enough, we guys
should improve all the related classes later. How do you think about it?

- harry

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 2:58 AM, James Todd <[email protected]> wrote:

> saw that. i will dive in.
>
> i am curious as to your thoughts regarding my response. i think the
> differences are 1) philosophical [eg simple external api as a principal
> objective] and 2) tactical [eg internal implementation details].
>
> optimally, we can collectively meld the ideas for an overall improved
> solution.
>
> there is still outstanding work regarding the responder delegation work
> that
> is assumed to be follow on work for patch i provided.
>
> thoughts?
>
> - james
>
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 11:46 AM, harry wang <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > hi, I just attached my implementation patch as another choice for trial
> at
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AVRO-405. :)
> > Maybe we could get a better result in the end.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > - harry
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 2:24 AM, James Todd <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > hey harry -
> > >
> > > glad to hear there is functional parity :)
> > >
> > > it will be good to get this initial issue in one way or another.
> > >
> > > i opted to leverage the netty internals to manage/contain the discreet
> > > steps
> > > in the pipeline but admittedly they are trivial and can in all
> likelihood
> > > be
> > > rolled up. i am keen on implementing bruce's proposed protocol and
> > perhaps
> > > this objective led me to this design. regardless it is solely internal
> > and
> > > up for refactoring.
> > >
> > > there is one significant TODO in the patch i provided which is to
> > > internally
> > > determine the relevant responder by inspecting the handshake data and
> > > delegating accordingly. that is work that is assumed
> > > to go along with this patch and work worth doing imo, as the data is
> all
> > > available and it streamlines/simplifies the external api.
> > >
> > > to summarize, error on the side of simplest possible external api
> (noting
> > > the afore mentioned responder delegation work) and allow for (possibly
> > > speculative) implementation variability for the internal details.
> > >
> > > i also didn't necessarily strive to align w/ other implementations
> > > (ie SocketTransceiver/SocketServer or HttpTransceiver/HttpServer) as i
> > > didn't see that as significantly advantageous to do so. guess i could
> be
> > > wrong.
> > >
> > > thoughts?
> > >
> > > best,
> > >
> > > - james
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:23 AM, harry wang <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi james, after studying your works, I find that our basic idea is
> > alike
> > > > but
> > > > our implementation is a little different. It appears my design is
> > simpler
> > > > than yours. The following is the comparison:
> > > >
> > > > 1, my design only has 4 files: NettyFrameDecoder.java,
> > > > NettyFrameEncoder.java, NettyServer.java and NettyTransceiver.java,
> in
> > > > which
> > > > Encoder/Decoder classes transform data structure between
> > List<ByteBuffer>
> > > > (need by Responder) and ChannelBuffer (need by Netty), Server class
> as
> > a
> > > > server and Transceiver as a client. The design is more similar with
> > > > SocketServer and SocketTransceiver, so does the usage. i.e.
> > > >
> > > >        // server
> > > >        Responder responder = new SpecificResponder(Mail.class, new
> > > > MailImpl());
> > > >        Server server = new NettyServer(responder, new
> > > > InetSocketAddress(0));
> > > >        Thread.sleep(1000); // waiting for server startup
> > > >
> > > >        // client
> > > >        int serverPort = server.getPort();
> > > >        Transceiver transceiver = new NettyTransceiver(new
> > > > InetSocketAddress(serverPort));
> > > >        Mail proxy = (Mail)SpecificRequestor.getClient(Mail.class,
> > > > transceiver);
> > > >
> > > >        Message msg = new Message();
> > > >        msg.to = new Utf8("wife");
> > > >        msg.from = new Utf8("husband");
> > > >        msg.body = new Utf8("I love you!");
> > > >
> > > >        try {
> > > >            Utf8 result = proxy.send(msg);
> > > >            System.out.println("Result: " + result);
> > > >        } finally {
> > > >            transceiver.close();
> > > >            server.close();
> > > >        }
> > > >
> > > > 2, your design has about 10 files because  you use more handlers in
> the
> > > > pipeline and more top level classes such as client/server
> > > PipelineFactory.
> > > > The biggest difference is that your client and server class design is
> > not
> > > > similar with SocketTransceiver/SocketServer or
> > HttpTransceiver/HttpServer
> > > > pair. And the usage method is :
> > > >
> > > >        // server
> > > >        netSocketAddress address = new InetSocketAddress(port);
> > > >        AvroServer server = new AvroServer(address); // where is the
> > > > Responder instance ?
> > > >
> > > >        // client
> > > >        InetSocketAddress address = new InetSocketAddress(port);
> > > >        AvroClient client = new AvroClient(address);
> > > >        Message message = createMessage(to, from, body);
> > > >        String response = client.dispatch(message); // not use the
> Proxy
> > > > pattern
> > > >        System.out.println("response: " + response);
> > > >        client.dispose();
> > > >
> > > > In your design there is a problem that you create a specific
> Responder
> > > > instance using specific protocol in AvroServerHandler which could not
> > be
> > > > reused in other circumstances.
> > > >
> > > > So, I think my design is more close to the Avro's way. How do you
> think
> > > > about it? and anyone else?
> > > >
> > > > - harry
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 11:47 AM, James Todd <[email protected]
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > the latest/greatest patch against AVRO-405 is:
> > > > >
> > >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12441447/AVRO-405.patch
> > > > >
> > > > > it's a merge of bo shin's and my work.
> > > > >
> > > > > there is more to do here, should be summarized in the comments
> iirc,
> > > but
> > > > it
> > > > > would be great to get this initial spike done and build
> > > > > on from that point.
> > > > >
> > > > > best,
> > > > >
> > > > > - james
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:04 PM, harry wang <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > OK. But it seems that someone else has already made a netty-rpc
> > > patch.
> > > > I
> > > > > > would like to see if my work could be merged into it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - harry
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 2:50 AM, Doug Cutting <
> [email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > This would make a great contribution!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you please attach it as a patch to an issue in Jira?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Doug
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 06/24/2010 11:29 AM, harry wang wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> hi, I have implemented the Avro RPC Server and Transceiver
> using
> > > > > Netty.
> > > > > > If
> > > > > > >> anyone is interested in it, you can look at
> > > > > > >> http://github.com/coolwhy/avro-rpc-on-netty. Any suggestion
> is
> > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > >> Thanks!
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> - harry
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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