Romain, I don't understand your last comment, were you trying to say that you had the same Gradle build times like I did and it was an improvement over Maven or that you did not and you experienced build times that were equivalent to Maven?
On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <[email protected]> wrote: > 2017-11-09 18:38 GMT+01:00 Kenneth Knowles <[email protected]>: > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> (this is another topic so we can maybe open another thread) issue is > >> not much about python but more about the fact the build is not self > >> contained. it is a maven build and maven should be sufficient without > >> having to install python + dependencies. > > > > > > Let's leave out the topic of whether our build should install things like > > JDKs, Python, Golang, Docker, protoc, findbugs, RAT, etc. That issue is > > somewhat independent of build tool, and the new build isn't worse than > the > > old one as far as it goes. > > > Yep, globally the same time with clean and killing the daemon. > > > > > Kenn > > > > > > > >> I don't see any technical > >> blockers to do it (except time ;)) but it is always a bit annoying to > >> git clone then not be able to build. > >> > >> Romain Manni-Bucau > >> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn > >> > >> > >> 2017-11-09 18:07 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Cwik <[email protected]>: > >> > Hmm, I have had good luck when following the Python quick start setup > >> > <https://beam.apache.org/get-started/quickstart-py/> on multiple > >> machines > >> > by ensuring the installed version of setuptools, virtualenv and pip > are > >> new > >> > enough versions. > >> > > >> > You can always skip the Python portion of the build by excluding the > >> build > >> > task as so: > >> > ./gradlew build -x ":beam-sdks-parent:beam-sdks-python:build" > >> > > >> > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > >> [email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> The 1.3.5 file is when i installed the python dependencies manually > >> >> to make the build passing (the pip command never passed on my > computer > >> >> and therefore the build always has been broken until i installed it > >> >> manually - independently from the build tool). > >> >> > >> >> Romain Manni-Bucau > >> >> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 2017-11-09 17:51 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Cwik <[email protected]>: > >> >> > It turns out that the Apache Rat Ant task and the Apache Rat Maven > >> plugin > >> >> > differ in that the plugin automatically excludes certain files by > >> default > >> >> > while the Ant task does not. > >> >> > See: > >> >> > http://creadur.apache.org/rat/apache-rat-plugin/check-mojo. > >> >> html#useDefaultExcludes > >> >> > > >> >> > I fixed the list to exclude ".idea/" instead of "idea/" since there > >> was a > >> >> > typo. > >> >> > > >> >> > I have no idea what the file "=1.3.5" is. Can you take a look at > the > >> >> > contents? > >> >> > > >> >> > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > >> >> [email protected]> > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Ok, the rat issues I got were: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> == File: /home/rmannibucau/1_dev/beam/.idea/* > >> >> >> == File: /home/rmannibucau/1_dev/beam/sdks/python/=1.3.5 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The first one could be in my default exclude - even if > eclipse/idea > >> >> >> files should be in the default exclude set of beam rat config > IMHO, > >> >> >> the last one is more a "?" can probably be exclude as well if > created > >> >> >> by the build at some point. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Romain Manni-Bucau > >> >> >> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> 2017-11-08 19:17 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[email protected] > >: > >> >> >> > Thanks for the update. I was swamped on some meetings. I'm back > to > >> >> test > >> >> >> the latest changes. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Regards > >> >> >> > JB > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Nov 8, 2017, 18:56, at 18:56, Lukasz Cwik > >> <[email protected] > >> >> > > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >>Thanks everyone for trying this build out in different > workspaces / > >> >> >> >>configurations. This will help make sure the build works for > more > >> >> >> >>people > >> >> >> >>and will get rid of any rough edges. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>Performance (All): > >> >> >> >>Maven performs parallelization at the module level, an entire > >> module > >> >> >> >>needs > >> >> >> >>to complete before any dependent modules can start, this means > >> running > >> >> >> >>all > >> >> >> >>the checks like findbugs, checkstyle, tests need to finish. > Gradle > >> has > >> >> >> >>task > >> >> >> >>level parallelism between subprojects which means that as soon > as > >> the > >> >> >> >>compile and shade steps are done for a project, and dependent > >> >> >> >>subprojects > >> >> >> >>can typically start. This means that we get increased > parallelism > >> due > >> >> >> >>to > >> >> >> >>not needing to wait for findbugs, checkstyle, tests to run. I > >> >> typically > >> >> >> >>see > >> >> >> >>~20 tasks (at peak) running on my desktop in parallel. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>Apache Rat (JB / Romain): > >> >> >> >>What files are in the rat report that fail (its likely that I'm > >> >> missing > >> >> >> >>some exclusion for a build time artifact)? Also, please try the > >> build > >> >> >> >>again > >> >> >> >>after running `git clean -fdx` in your workspace. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>Python (JB): > >> >> >> >>As for the Python SDK, you'll need to share more details about > the > >> >> >> >>failure. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>Gradle 4.3: > >> >> >> >>I would like to defer the swap to Gradle 4.3 until after this PR > >> since > >> >> >> >>it > >> >> >> >>will be a much smaller set of changes. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré < > >> >> [email protected]> > >> >> >> >>wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>> Same for me for rat and python build too: > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> FAILURE: Build completed with 2 failures. > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> 1: Task failed with an exception. > >> >> >> >>> ----------- > >> >> >> >>> * What went wrong: > >> >> >> >>> Execution failed for task ':rat'. > >> >> >> >>> > Found 905 files with unapproved/unknown licenses. See > >> >> >> >>> file:/home/jbonofre/Workspace/beam/build/reports/rat/rat- > >> report.txt > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> * Try: > >> >> >> >>> Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace. Run with > >> --info > >> >> >> >>or > >> >> >> >>> --debug option to get more log output. > >> >> >> >>> ============================================================ > >> >> >> >>> ================== > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> 2: Task failed with an exception. > >> >> >> >>> ----------- > >> >> >> >>> * Where: > >> >> >> >>> Build file '/home/jbonofre/Workspace/ > >> beam/sdks/python/build.gradle' > >> >> >> >>line: > >> >> >> >>> 64 > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> * What went wrong: > >> >> >> >>> Execution failed for task ':beam-sdks-parent:beam-sdks- > >> >> python:lint'. > >> >> >> >>> > Process 'command 'tox'' finished with non-zero exit value 1 > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> On 11/08/2017 09:51 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>>> gradle branch doesnt build for me (some rat issues) > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> Romain Manni-Bucau > >> >> >> >>>> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> 2017-11-08 5:41 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré < > [email protected] > >> >: > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> Great ! > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> What explain these difference ? I'm curious especially for > the > >> >> >> >>clean > >> >> >> >>>>> build > >> >> >> >>>>> all Java modules: is it a question of parallel execution ? > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> Regards > >> >> >> >>>>> JB > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> On 11/08/2017 02:59 AM, Lukasz Cwik wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>> The Gradle POC has made significant advances since last > week > >> >> >> >>(shading, > >> >> >> >>>>>> Python, Go, Docker builds, ...). I believe the current > state > >> is > >> >> >> >>close > >> >> >> >>>>>> enough to the Maven build system to warrant a comparison. > >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>> The largest build differences I noticed are: > >> >> >> >>>>>> * Full build takes about ~22mins using Gradle > (parallelizing > >> the > >> >> >> >>three > >> >> >> >>>>>> rounds of Python tests would reduce this to ~17mins) > compared > >> to > >> >> >> >>~38mins > >> >> >> >>>>>> in > >> >> >> >>>>>> Maven > >> >> >> >>>>>> * Clean build all Java modules (skipping over Go/Python > >> >> >> >>>>>> <https://goto.google.com/Python>) takes ~8mins in > >> >> >> >>>>>> Gradle which takes ~36mins in Maven > >> >> >> >>>>>> * Build output is cached allowing for faster subsequent > builds > >> >> >> >>with > >> >> >> >>>>>> "gradle > >> >> >> >>>>>> buildDependents" allowing for most single module changes > >> taking > >> >> >> >>~2mins > >> >> >> >>>>>> to > >> >> >> >>>>>> build and test without needing to rely on "mvn install" > >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>> I have opened PR 4096 <https://github.com/apache/ > >> beam/pull/4096> > >> >> >> >>so > >> >> >> >>>>>> that > >> >> >> >>>>>> the Gradle build files merged and then follow up with new > >> Jenkins > >> >> >> >>>>>> precommits which are powered by Gradle. This will allow the > >> >> >> >>community to > >> >> >> >>>>>> continuing contributing to the Gradle build and also allow > >> for a > >> >> >> >>>>>> comparison > >> >> >> >>>>>> of the precommit times on the Jenkins executor when using > >> >> >> >>Maven/Gradle. > >> >> >> >>>>>> I > >> >> >> >>>>>> suggest that those who are interested try out the PR. > >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré > >> >> >> >><[email protected]> > >> >> >> >>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>> That makes sense. The point is that we have to compare > >> >> >> >>equivalently. I'm > >> >> >> >>>>>>> also curious about Gradle PoC assuming it does the same > >> actions > >> >> >> >>as > >> >> >> >>>>>>> Maven. > >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>> Regards > >> >> >> >>>>>>> JB > >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>> On Nov 3, 2017, 20:41, at 20:41, Kenneth Knowles > >> >> >> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> I'm confident that any choice will speed things up > >> dramatically > >> >> >> >>even > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> beyond > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> a fast profile, even if the new tool runs all the extra > >> stuff. > >> >> >> >>But > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> that > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> is > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> a question that we can answer empirically anyhow. Let's > see > >> how > >> >> >> >>it > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> goes! > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Incidentally, my experiments with Bazel have led me to > the > >> >> >> >>conclusion > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> that > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> it is not the right choice for us so I'm not going to be > >> >> >> >>proposing any > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> completed POC of that right now. I'm interested in the > >> outcome > >> >> >> >>of the > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Gradle POC. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Kenn > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 3:30 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré > >> >> >> >><[email protected] > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Hi > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> It's what I said in a previous e-mail: I don't think > that > >> just > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> changing > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> the build tool will improve a lot the build time. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> We already know (and discussed while ago) that plugins > like > >> >> >> >>findbugs, > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> checkstyle, etc are taking time. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> So, I think we can already have a fast profile. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Regards > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> JB > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 2017, 11:16, at 11:16, Romain Manni-Bucau > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi guys, > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> when you check the duration of each mojo of the build > >> (almost > >> >> >> >>since > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> python part of the build just breaks it locally) you > see > >> that > >> >> >> >>there > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> is > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> no real link with maven for the perf issues beam can > >> >> >> >>encounter: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://gist.github.com/rmannibucau/ > >> f65fdde28d5dab0fdac50633 > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> f84554c9 > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (generated from the profiling of tesla-profile and > parsed > >> >> with > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>https://gist.github.com/rmannibucau/ > e329d54b8af6c009f46fd151d10037 > >> ad > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> ) > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Before PoC-ing other tools which will end up to either > >> have > >> >> >> >>the same > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> issues if the other builds do the same things (test, > >> >> >> >>checkstyle, > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> enforcer, findbugs, ...) or have a less reliable build > >> >> (trying > >> >> >> >>to > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> skip > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> some parts of the build if "untouched" - note that this > >> is a > >> >> >> >>very > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> hard > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> issue since static code anaylizis doesn't give you any > >> >> >> >>guarantee of > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> what it does with modern code - then maybe some action > >> can be > >> >> >> >>taken > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> on > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> the current build: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> - testing > >> >> >> >>https://github.com/vackosar/gitflow-incremental-builder > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/khmarbaise/ > incremental-module-builder > >> >> maybe > >> >> >> >>or > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> do > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> the same kind of extension including the beam needs > (/!\ > >> the > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> previous > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> warning is still accurate and requires a full run at > some > >> >> >> >>point to > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> validate the graph detection algorithm didn't get > abused > >> by > >> >> >> >>some > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> indirect code dependency) > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> - maybe try to get rid of some shades (it is a bit > crazy > >> ATM > >> >> >> >>to have > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> so much shades no?) > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> - the CI can have profiles based on a PR convention > (name > >> of > >> >> >> >>the > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> branch?) to select the build profile, for instance > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> fb/elasticsearch_super-nice-PR would build only the > >> >> >> >>elasticsearch > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> modules, jenkins/travis have this ability since they > >> support > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> scripting > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> - document how to setup a "fastBuild" profile in its > >> >> >> >>settings.xml > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> which bypasses checkstyle, enforcer plugin, findbugs, > >> etc... > >> >> >> >>for > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fast > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> development iterations > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> 2017-11-01 21:02 GMT+01:00 Kenneth Knowles > >> >> >> >><[email protected] > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I have started one, here: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/kennknowles/beam/commits/bazel. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> It is not nearly as far along as Luke's. For the POC > I am > >> >> >> >>just > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> putting > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> things in one root BUILD, and learning where we might > >> find > >> >> >> >>the > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> necessary > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> plugins as I go. I am happy to grant push access to > this > >> >> >> >>branch. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> It > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> would > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> be superb if you had some time to work through the > Python > >> >> >> >>steps. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Ahmet Altay > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone started a POC with Bazel? I would be > >> interested > >> >> in > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> helping that > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> effort. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Lukasz Cwik > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have started a POC for using Gradle here: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/lukecwik/ > incubator-beam/tree/gradle > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Things that work: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * compiling all Java code (src/main and src/test) > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * generating source from protos > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * generating source from avro > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * running rat, checkstyle > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Partially working: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * generating maven pom (albeit with wrong > dependencies > >> for > >> >> >> >>some > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> subprojects) > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * running tests (~80% pass, remainder seem to be > >> >> dependency > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> related but > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> uninvestigated) > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Things that don't work: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * anything Python/Go/Docker compilation related > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * many tests fail because I messed up dependencies > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * anything shading related > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * minor plugins like eclipse code formatter/... > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * running @NeedsRunner/@ValidatesRunner/integration > >> tests > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to reach out to me on Slack if you would > >> like to > >> >> >> >>try > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> tackle > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> piece of the POC to prevent duplication of effort > from > >> >> >> >>anyone > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> working on > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:25 PM, Jean-Baptiste > Onofré > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Agree to move forward on a PoC. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Reuven for bringing discussion on the > mailing > >> list > >> >> >> >>! > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2017, 03:20, at 03:20, Reuven Lax > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some good discussion here, and thanks to JB and > >> Romain > >> >> >> >>for > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> adding to > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it! > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB makes the good point that we still need to > release > >> >> >> >>Maven > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> artifacts, > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many Beam users want to develop using Maven. So > none > >> of > >> >> >> >>this > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will affect our release process, as we still need > >> Maven > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> "releases." > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At this point, if people are interested, I see no > >> harm > >> >> in > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> prototyping. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having working alternatives will give us a better > >> basis > >> >> >> >>for > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> comparison > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand whether these other build systems give > us > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> anything > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> over > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> what > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maven does. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reuven > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Charles Chen > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a contributor to the Beam Python SDK, I noticed > >> that > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> many > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> of the > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above regarding Maven and Gradle pertain mostly > to > >> Java > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> SDK > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For Python development, Maven is much less > natural, > >> and > >> >> >> >>we > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> end up > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shelling out to perform builds and tests. For > >> Python > >> >> >> >>SDK > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (and > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upcoming Go > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SDK development), an option to use Bazel would be > >> quite > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> useful. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:42 AM Robert Bradshaw > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, Maven is both a build tool and a repository, > and > >> >> the > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> latter is > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> essential to keep. Both Gradel and Bazel can > >> interface > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> with > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> this > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repository. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am, however, very supportive of moving away > from > >> >> >> >>Maven > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> a tool > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that supports correct incremental, hermetic, > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> dependency-driven, > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multi-langauge, and hopefully fast builds for > our > >> own > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> development. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Kenneth > Knowles > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Echoing what JB and Reuven said, we absolutely > >> must > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> provide > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> maven > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> central > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artifacts for Java users, just as we provide > pypi > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> artifacts for > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Python > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see Maven as still a viable tool for > >> single-module > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Java > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> builds, > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially considering its rich plugin > ecosystem. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:27 PM, Reuven Lax > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that's a very good point. No matter > what > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> build > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> system > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> we > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our own personal development, we still need to > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> release > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Maven > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artifacts > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases as we need to support our users using > >> >> Maven. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:26 PM, > Jean-Baptiste > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Onofré < > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Generally speaking, it's interesting to > evaluate > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> alternatives, > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gradle. My point is also to keep Maven > artifacts > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> and > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" as > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our users will use Maven. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For incremental build, afair, there's some > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> enhancements on > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maven > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to take a look. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2017, 07:22, at 07:22, Eugene > >> Kirpichov > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi! > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these points sound valid, but AFAICT > >> Maven > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> doesn't > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incremental builds [1]. The best it can do > is, > >> it > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> seems, > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recompile > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed files, but Java compilation is a > tiny > >> part > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> of > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overall > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Almost all time is taken by other plugins, > >> such as > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> unit > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing or > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> findbugs > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - and Maven does not seem to currently > support > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> features such > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as "do > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rerun unit tests of a module if the code > didn't > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> change". > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that the surefire plugin has > existed > >> for > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> 11 > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> years > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (version > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.0 > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was released in 2006) and still doesn't have > >> this > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> feature > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes me > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it's unlikely to be supported in the > next > >> few > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> years > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect most PRs affect a very small > number > >> of > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> modules, so > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance advantage of a build system > truly > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> supporting > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incremental > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> builds > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may be so overwhelming as to trump many > other > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> factors. Of > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'd > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to prototype and have hard numbers in hand > to > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> discuss > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> this > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> substance. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8918165/does-maven- > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support-incremental-builds > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 10:57 PM Romain > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Manni-Bucau > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if not a commiter or even PMC, I'd > like > >> to > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> mention a > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an external eye: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Maven stays the most common build tool > and > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> easier > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> one > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> for > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means it is the best one to hope > contributions > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> IMHO. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Maven has incremental support but if > there > >> is > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> any > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> blocker > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is probably ready to enhance it (has been > done > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> for > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> compiler > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugin > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance) > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Gradle hides issues easily with its > daemon > >> so > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> a > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> build > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> daemon is > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Gradle doesnt isolate plugins well > enough so > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> ensure your > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planned > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesnt conflict > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Only Maven is correctly supported in > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> mainstream > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> and > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS/free IDE > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the reasons why I think Maven is > >> better > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> - > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> not even > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entering > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ASF points. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now Maven is not perfect but some quick > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> enhancements can > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> be > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - A fast build profile can be created > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Takari scheduler can be used yo enhance > the > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> parallel > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Scripts can be provided to build a > subpart > >> of > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> project > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - A beam extension can surely be done to > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> optimize > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compute the > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reactors > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more easily based on module names > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Romain > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 31 oct. 2017 06:42, "Jean-Baptiste > Onofré" > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> écrit : > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -0 > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the following reasons reasons: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - maven is a Apache project and we can have > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support/improvement > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I don't see how another build tool would > >> speed > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> up > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> the > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build by > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apache default release process is based > on > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Maven > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, Gradle could be > >> interesting. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Anyway > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it's > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluate. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017, 18:46, at 18:46, Ted Yu > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Ben's comment. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recently I have been using gradle in > another > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Apache > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project and > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> -- > >> >> >> >>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré > >> >> >> >>>>> [email protected] > >> >> >> >>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net > >> >> >> >>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>> -- > >> >> >> >>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré > >> >> >> >>> [email protected] > >> >> >> >>> http://blog.nanthrax.net > >> >> >> >>> Talend - http://www.talend.com > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >
