+1 (binding)

I agree with what both JB and Reuven had to say about process.

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Reuven,
>
> I know that the merge was not malicious. No problem at all ;)
>
> It's just about the community and consensus.
>
> For instance, I did discussion + vote to have a consensus about Spark 2
> support & upgrade.
> It's not a big deal, but we have to be careful with our communities (here
> the dev community, for the release schedule/cycle it's more our user
> community ;)).
>
> Thanks,
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 11/29/2017 04:33 PM, Reuven Lax wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for bringing this up JB.
>>
>> I don't think the merge to master was done maliciously. We don't usually
>> vote before merging PRs, and since that PR did not affect the normal build
>> process. It was done to gather data about how well Gradle works, not to
>> force any one outcome (one possible result of the data could have been that
>> Gradle was slower), I can see how it wasn't obvious that we needed to vote
>> before merging.
>>
>> However I also see how merging Gradle to master created the perception
>> that some people were trying to force the issue forward without a vote, and
>> perceptions like that can be damaging to community (regardless of good
>> intentions). It's good we're voting now, and let's be more careful about
>> such things in the future.
>>
>> Reuven
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 12:44 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>     -0
>>
>>     It's not for the change itself (gradle build is interesting) but for
>> the
>>     process used here, which, IMHO, is not clean.
>>
>>     My major concern is the fact that gradle build has been merged on
>> master
>>     before the vote. I would have start the vote based on the discussion
>> and PR
>>     branch (acting as a PoC).
>>
>>     I have the feeling that part of the dev community already decided to
>> change
>>     to gradle and pushed without waiting for the whole consensus.
>>
>>     I don't want to "block" this change, but I wanted to raise my concern
>> from a
>>     community standpoint.
>>
>>     Regards
>>     JB
>>
>>
>>     On 11/28/2017 06:55 PM, Lukasz Cwik wrote:
>>
>>         This is a procedural vote for migrating to use Gradle for all our
>>         development related processes (building, testing, and releasing).
>> A
>>         majority vote will signal that:
>>         * Gradle build files will be supported and maintained alongside
>> any
>>         remaining Maven files.
>>         * Once Gradle is able to replace Maven in a specific process (or
>> portion
>>         thereof), Maven will no longer be maintained for said process (or
>>         portion thereof) and will be removed.
>>
>>         +1 I support the process change
>>         0 I am indifferent to the process change
>>         -1 I would like to remain with our current processes
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>         Below is a summary of information contained in the disucssion
>> thread
>>         comparing Gradle and Maven:
>>
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/225dddcfc78f39bbb296a0d2bbef1caf37e17677c7e5573f0b6fe253@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
>>
>> <https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/225dddcfc78f39bbb296a0d2bbef1caf37e17677c7e5573f0b6fe253@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E>
>>
>>         Gradle (mins)
>>         min: 25.04
>>         max: 160.14
>>         median: 45.78
>>         average: 52.19
>>         stdev: 30.80
>>
>>         Maven (mins)
>>         min: 56.86
>>         max: 216.55 (actually > 240 mins because this data does not
>> include
>>         timeouts)
>>         median: 87.93
>>         average: 109.10
>>         stdev: 48.01
>>
>>         Maven
>>         Java Support: Mature
>>         Python Support: None (via mvn exec plugin)
>>         Go Support: Rudimentary (via mvn plugin)
>>         Protobuf Support: Rudimentary (via mvn plugin)
>>         Docker Support: Rudimentary (via mvn plugin)
>>         ASF Release Automation: Mature
>>         Jenkins Support: Mature
>>         Configuration Language: XML
>>         Multiple Java Versions: Yes
>>         Static Analysis Tools: Some
>>         ASF Release Audit Tool (RAT): Rudimentary (plugin complete and
>>         longstanding but poor)
>>         IntelliJ Integration: Mature
>>         Eclipse Integration: Mature
>>         Extensibility: Mature (updated per JB from discuss thread)
>>         Number of GitHub Projects Using It: 146k
>>         Continuous build daemon: None
>>         Incremental build support: None (note that this is not the same as
>>         incremental compile support offered by the compiler plugin)
>>         Intra-module dependencies: Rudimentary (requires the use of many
>>         profiles to get per runner dependencies)
>>
>>         Gradle
>>         Java Support: Mature
>>         Python Support: Rudimentary (pygradle, lacks pypi support)
>>         Go Support: Rudimentary (gogradle plugin)
>>         Protobuf Support: Rudimentary (via protobuf plugin)
>>         Docker Support: Rudimentary (via docker plugin)
>>         ASF Release Automation: ?
>>         Jenkins Support: Mature
>>         Configuration Language: Groovy
>>         Multiple Java Versions: Yes
>>         Static Analysis Tools: Some
>>         ASF Release Audit Tool (RAT): Rudimentary (plugin just calls
>> Apache
>>         Maven ANT plugin)
>>         IntelliJ Integration: Mature
>>         Eclipse Integration: Mature
>>         Extensibility: Mature
>>         Number of GitHub Projects Using It: 122k
>>         Continuous build daemon: Mature
>>         Incremental build support: Mature
>>         Intra-module dependencies: Mature (via configurations)
>>
>>
>>     --     Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>     [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>     http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>     Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> [email protected]
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com

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