Largest outstanding areas are:
* Documentation relevant to the contributors guide/release process/testing
* Performance tests

There has been good progress towards:
* Release artifact validations and generation
* ValidatesRunner post commits
* Pre commits
* Container builds


On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Reuven Lax <re...@google.com> wrote:

> I think Alan was making progress on the Gradle build.
>
> What do people think of a "fixit" day for Gradle work? (or given that
> people are distributed, maybe a fixit week, where everyone takes one day
> from the week).
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:17 PM Kenneth Knowles <k...@google.com> wrote:
>
>> I also cannot drop everything to work on Gradle build, but maybe it isn't
>> that drastic anyhow. Now that we have ValidatesRunner and NeedsRunner tests
>> and some progress on the release, is there any other known missing
>> functionality in the Gradle builds? Archetypes? Docker container images?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:12 PM Lukasz Cwik <lc...@google.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am working on various projects and may not be able to pause my work
>>> for a couple of weeks while the build/test process is migrated.
>>>
>>> What is everyone thinking about Romain's suggestion because If I'm the
>>> only person in such a situation, I would be willing to go along with the
>>> plan.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>>> rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 7 mars 2018 20:21, "Lukasz Cwik" <lc...@google.com> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> Note that Alan Myrvold has been making steady progress making the
>>>> release process via Gradle a reality:
>>>> 1) Creating a jenkins job which can run the quickstart validation
>>>> against nightly snapshots and also can be used for release candidates (
>>>> https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/4252)
>>>> 2) Building a release candidate using Gradle (
>>>> https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/4812)
>>>>
>>>> Also, Gradle is the tool that has been selected already and there was a
>>>> community discussion about what was needed for the migration to occur with
>>>> a clear set of criteria. Romain, it doesn't seem like we should ignore that
>>>> criteria or are you suggesting we change that criteria (if yes, how)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, no. My goal is just to quit this state.
>>>>
>>>> Let s draft a plan:
>>>>
>>>> 1. 2.4 is released - i assume it is done with mvn here
>>>> 2. We drop all poms and jenkins mvn config
>>>> 3. We fix all build issues if so (let say in a week)
>>>> 4. Pr can nees updates but no more mvn merge
>>>>
>>>> April is gradle month :)
>>>>
>>>> Wdyt?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>>>> rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 7 mars 2018 17:34, "Lukasz Cwik" <lc...@google.com> a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for bringing this up Romain but I believe your data points on
>>>>> pass rates are only partially correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure sure, it is mainly about my own PR which a very small % of the
>>>>> whole project ;).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In the past week the Java Gradle precommit passed 46.34% of the time
>>>>> compared to the Java Maven precommit which passed 46.15% of the time. When
>>>>> I looked at these numbers in mid January they were around 37% so there has
>>>>> been some improvement. Regardless of the build tool it seems that our pass
>>>>> rates aren't stellar for the Java build and are causing the community to
>>>>> not follow best practices (wait for precommits to be green before 
>>>>> merging).
>>>>> I know that on the website we used the mergebot to ensure that things
>>>>> passed before they were merged, should we institute this on the master
>>>>> branch or are their any other ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> As a side note we had achieved the goals we set out to not need to
>>>>> maintain the Maven precommit and have authored the first PR to drop the
>>>>> Maven precommit:  https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/4814
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I'd be for a strong switch otherwise PR will keep using maven,
>>>>> jenkins will not test the code and at the end we fail to deliver something
>>>>> consistent. So whatever tool is selected I'm tempted to say drop other
>>>>> build files and jenkins hooks references.
>>>>>
>>>>> What about doing it after 2.4 vote?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:24 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>>>>> rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Up,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We discussed to have a strong switch to gradle or rollback to maven
>>>>>> around april to not be blocked by the build tool. I noticed gradle build
>>>>>> rarely passes on PR and kind of blurry our vision - not sure why exactly.
>>>>>> Also, PR don't always contain the gradle updates - generally
>>>>>> dependencies+plugins are added in pom.xml AFAIK, so it seems the adoption
>>>>>> is very slow to not say rejected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do we do about that? When do we drop the double build
>>>>>> maintenance - whatever is picked?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2018-01-12 6:30 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 11 janv. 2018 23:13, "Kenneth Knowles" <k...@google.com> a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 8:43 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>>>>>>> rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. gradle build doesn't use the same output directory than maven so
>>>>>>>> it is not really smooth to have both and have to maintain both
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also have an opinion on this. It is useful and reasonable to be
>>>>>>> able to build even when the source is on a read-only filesystem. Maven's
>>>>>>> defaults are undesirable and require workarounds. We shouldn't mimic the
>>>>>>> behavior, but actually should set gradle up to build to a directory 
>>>>>>> outside
>>>>>>> the source tree always, if we can.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmm, which is something you can do with maven as well so not sure I
>>>>>>> get it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also note the thread is no more about the technical points but more
>>>>>>> the sources maintenance and consistency.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

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