Interesting. Right now we are only doing batch processing so I hadn't
thought about the windowing aspect.

On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 12:10 PM Reuven Lax <[email protected]> wrote:

> Are you doing this in streaming with windowed writes? Window grouping does
> not "happen" in Beam until a GroupByKey, so you do need the GroupByKey in
> that case.
>
> If you are not windowing but want a specific number of shards (though the
> general suggestion in that case is to not pick a specific number of shards,
> but let the runner pick it for you), your approach could work. However the
> implementation would be more complicated than you suggest. The problem is
> that every file writer has a buffer, and when you force many of them to be
> in memory in a map you risk running out of memory. If you look at the
> spilledFiles code in WriteFiles.java, it was written to handle exactly this
> case.
>
> Reuven
>
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:47 AM Shannon Duncan <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, Specifically TextIO withNumShards().
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 10:45 AM Reuven Lax <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure what you mean by "write out ot a specific shard number."
>>> Are you talking about FIleIO sinks?
>>>
>>> Reuven
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 7:41 AM Shannon Duncan <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So when beam writes out to a specific shard number, as I understand it
>>>> does a few things:
>>>>
>>>> - Assigns a shard key to each record (reduces parallelism)
>>>> - Shuffles and Groups by the shard key to colocate all records
>>>> - Writes out to each shard file within a single DoFn per key...
>>>>
>>>> When thinking about this, I believe we might be able to eliminate the
>>>> GroupByKey to go ahead and write out to each file with its records with
>>>> only a DoFn after the shard key is assigned.
>>>>
>>>> As long as the shard key is the actual key of the PCollection, then
>>>> could we use a state variable to force all keys that are the same to
>>>> process to share state with each other?
>>>>
>>>> On a DoFn can we use the setup to hold a Map of files being written to
>>>> within bundles on that instance, and on teardown can we close all files
>>>> within the map?
>>>>
>>>> If this is the case does it reduce the need for a shuffle and allow a
>>>> DoFn to safely write out in append mode to a file, batch, etc held in
>>>> state?
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't really decrease parallelism after the key is assigned since
>>>> it can parallelize over each key within its state window. Which is the same
>>>> level of parallelism we achieve by doing a GroupByKey and doing a for loop
>>>> over the result. So performance shouldn't be impacted if this holds true.
>>>>
>>>> It's kind of like combining both the shuffle and the data write in the
>>>> same step?
>>>>
>>>> This does however have a significant cost reduction by eliminating a
>>>> compute based shuffle and also eliminating a Dataflow shuffle service call
>>>> if shuffle service is enabled.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Shannon Duncan
>>>>
>>>

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