On 11/14/19 9:50 PM, Daniel Robert wrote:

Alright, thanks everybody. I'm really appreciative of the conversation here. I think I see where my disconnect is and how this might all work together for me. There are some bugs in the current rabbit implementation that I think have confused my understanding of the intended semantics. I'm coming around to seeing how such a system with rabbit's restrictions can work properly in Beam (I'd totally forgotten about 'dedupe' support in Beam) but I want to clarify some implementation questions after pulling everyone's notes together.

RabbitMQ reader should not bother accepting an existing CheckpointMark in its constructor (in 'ack-based' systems this is unnecessary per Eugene's original reply). It should construct its own CheckpointMark at construction time and use it throughout its lifecycle.

At some point later, the CheckpointMark will be 'finalized'. If this CheckpointMark has been Serialized (via Coder or otherwise) or its underlying connection has been severed, this step will fail. This would mean at some point the messages are redelivered to Beam on some other Reader, so no data loss. If it has not been serialized, the acks will take place just fine, even if much later.

If the system is using processing-time as event-time, however, the redelivery of these messages would effectively change the ordering and potentially the window they arrived in. I *believe* that Beam deduping seems to be managed per-window so if 'finalizeCheckpoint' is attempted (and fails) would these messages appear in a new window?

This is very much likely to happen with any source, if it would assign something like *now* to event time. That is ill defined and if the source cannot provide some retry-persistent estimate of real event-time, than I'd suggest to force user to specify an UDF to extract event time from the payload. Everything else would probably break (at least if any timestamp-related windowing would be used in the pipeline).

Perhaps my question are now:
- how should a CheckpointMark should communicate failure to the Beam

An exception thrown should fail the checkpoint and therefore retry everything from the last checkpoint.

- how does Beam handle a CheckpointMark.finalizeCheckpoint failure, if the API dictates such a thing?

See above.

- is there a provision that would need to be made for processing-time sources that can fail a checkpointmark.finalizeCheckpoint call? (I'm nervous redelivered messages would appear in another window)

You are nervous for a reason. :) I strongly believe processing time source should be considered anti-pattern, at least in situations where there is any time manipulation downstream (time-windows, stateful processing, ...).

- What is the relationship lifecycle-wise between a CheckpointMark and a Reader? My understanding is a CheckpointMark may outlive a Reader, is that correct?

Definitely. But the same instance bound to the lifecycle of the reader would be used to finalizeCheckpoint (if that ever happens).

Thanks for bearing with me everyone. It feels a bit unfortunate my first foray into beam is reliant on this rabbit connector but I'm learning a lot and I'm very grateful for the help. PRs pending once I get this all straightened out in my head.

-Danny

On 11/14/19 2:35 PM, Eugene Kirpichov wrote:
Hi Daniel,


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 8:26 PM Daniel Robert <daniel.rob...@acm.org <mailto:daniel.rob...@acm.org>> wrote:

    I believe I've nailed down a situation that happens in practice
    that causes Beam and Rabbit to be incompatible. It seems that
    runners can and do make assumptions about the serializability
    (via Coder) of a CheckpointMark.

    To start, these are the semantics of RabbitMQ:

    - the client establishes a connection to the server
    - client opens a channel on the connection
    - messages are either pulled or pushed to the client from the
    server along this channel
    - when messages are done processing, they are acknowledged
    *client-side* and must be acknowledged on the *same channel* that
    originally received the message.

    Since a channel (or any open connection) is non-serializable, it
    means that a CheckpointMark that has been serialized cannot ever
    be used to acknowledge these messages and correctly 'finalize'
    the checkpoint. It also, as previously discussed in this thread,
    implies a rabbit Reader cannot accept an existing CheckpointMark
    at all; the Reader and the CheckpointMark must share the same
    connection to the rabbit server ("channel").

This is correct.

    Next, I've found how DirectRunner (and presumably others) can
    attempt to serialize a CheckpointMark that has not been
    finalized. In
    
https://github.com/apache/beam/blob/master/runners/direct-java/src/main/java/org/apache/beam/runners/direct/UnboundedReadEvaluatorFactory.java#L150,
    the DirectRunner applies a probability and if it hits, it sets
    the current reader to 'null' but retains the existing
    CheckpointMark, which it then attempts to pass to a new reader
    via a Coder.

Correct, this simulates a failure scenario:
- Runner was reading the source and, after finalizing a bunch of previous CheckpointMarks, obtained a new one and serialized it so things can be restored in case of failure - A failure happened before the current CheckpointMark could be finalized, which means Beam was not able to guarantee that elements after the last-finalized mark have been durably processed, so we may need to re-read them, so runner recreates a reader from the current mark.

    This puts the shard, the runner, and the reader with differing
    views of the world. In UnboundedReadEvaluatorFactory's
    processElement function, a call to getReader(shard) (
    
https://github.com/apache/beam/blob/master/runners/direct-java/src/main/java/org/apache/beam/runners/direct/UnboundedReadEvaluatorFactory.java#L132
    ) clones the shard's checkpoint mark and passes that to the new
    reader. The reader ignores it, creating its own, but even if it
    accepted it, it would be accepting a serialized CheckpointMark,
    which wouldn't work.

Correct in the sense that for a RabbitMQ reader, a CheckpointMark doesn't affect what the reader will read: it depends only on the broker's internal state (which in turn depends on which messages have been acked by previous finalized CheckpointMark's).

    Later, the runner calls finishRead (
    
https://github.com/apache/beam/blob/master/runners/direct-java/src/main/java/org/apache/beam/runners/direct/UnboundedReadEvaluatorFactory.java#L246
    ). The shard's CheckpointMark (unserialized; which should still
    be valid) is finalized. The reader's CheckpointMark (which may be
    a different instance) becomes the return value, which is referred
    to as "finishedCheckpoint" in the calling code, which is
    misleading at best and problematic at worst as *this* checkpoint
    has not been finalized.

I'm not following what is the problem here. In that code, "oldMark" is the last checkpoint mark to be finalized - calling finalizeCheckpoint on it signals that Beam has durably processed all the messages read from the reader until that mark. "mark" (the new one) represents the state of the reader after the last finalized mark, so it should not be finalized.

I.e. AFAIR in a hypothetical runner (which DirectRunner tries to emulate) things go like this:

Create a reader
Let mark M1 = reader.getCheckpointMark()
Durably persist M1 as the "restore point" of this reader
...read messages A B C from reader and durably process them...
Finalize M1 (acks A B C)
Let mark M2 = reader.getCheckpointMark()
Durably persist M2 as the "restore point" of this reader
...read messages D E F and durably process them...
Finalize M2 (acks D E F)

Now let's imagine a failure.
Durably persist M2 as the "restore point" of this reader
...read messages D E, and then a failure happens
Recreate reader from M2 (reader ignores M2 but it doesn't matter)
Since M2 was not finalized, messages D E F were not acked, and RabbitMQ will redeliver them to this reader. D E will be processed twice, but only the results of this new processing will be durable.
Finalize M2 (acks D E F)
Etc.
Basically you can think of this as a series of micro-bundles, where micro-bundles are delimited by checkpoint marks, and each micro-bundle is a runner-side transaction which either commits or discards the results of processing all messages in this micro-bundle. After a micro-bundle [M1, M2) commits, the runner calls M1.finalizeCheckpointMark() and persists M2 as the new restore point in case of failure.

    So, tl;dr: I cannot find any means of maintaining a persistent
    connection to the server for finalizing checkpoints that is safe
    across runners. If there's a guarantee all of the shards are on
    the same JVM instance, I could rely on global, static
    collections/instances as a workaround, but if other runners might
    serialize this across the wire, I'm stumped. The only workable
    situation I can think of right now is to proactively acknowledge
    messages as they are received and effectively no-op in
    finalizeCheckpoint. This is very different, semantically, and can
    lead to dropped messages if a pipeline doesn't finish processing
    the given message.

    Any help would be much appreciated.

If I'm misunderstanding something above, could you describe in detail a scenario that leads to message loss, or (less severe) to more-than-once durable processing of the same message?

    Thanks,
    -Danny

    On 11/7/19 10:27 PM, Eugene Kirpichov wrote:
    Hi Daniel,

    This is probably insufficiently well documented. The
    CheckpointMark is used for two purposes:
    1) To persistently store some notion of how much of the stream
    has been consumed, so that if something fails we can tell the
    underlying streaming system where to start reading when we
    re-create the reader. This is why CheckpointMark is
    Serializable. E.g. this makes sense for Kafka.
    2) To do acks - to let the underlying streaming system know that
    the Beam pipeline will never need data up to this
    CheckpointMark. Acking does not require serializability -
    runners call ack() on the same in-memory instance of
    CheckpointMark that was produced by the reader. E.g. this makes
    sense for RabbitMq or Pubsub.

    In practice, these two capabilities tend to be mutually
    exclusive: some streaming systems can provide a serializable
    CheckpointMark, some can do acks, some can do neither - but very
    few (or none) can do both, and it's debatable whether it even
    makes sense for a system to provide both capabilities: usually
    acking is an implicit form of streaming-system-side
    checkpointing, i.e. when you re-create the reader you don't
    actually need to carry over any information from an old
    CheckpointMark - the necessary state (which records should be
    delivered) is maintained on the streaming system side.

    These two are lumped together into one API simply because that
    was the best design option we came up with (not for lack of
    trying, but suggestions very much welcome - AFAIK nobody is
    happy with it).

    RabbitMQ is under #2 - it can't do serializable checkpoint
    marks, but it can do acks. So you can simply ignore the
    non-serializability.

    On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 12:07 PM Daniel Robert
    <daniel.rob...@acm.org <mailto:daniel.rob...@acm.org>> wrote:

        (Background: I recently upgraded RabbitMqIO from the 4.x to
        5.x library.
        As part of this I switched to a pull-based API rather than the
        previously-used push-based. This has caused some nebulous
        problems so
        put up a correction PR that I think needs some eyes fairly
        quickly as
        I'd consider master to be broken for rabbitmq right now. The
        PR keeps
        the upgrade but reverts to the same push-based
        implementation as in 4.x:
        https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/9977 )

        Regardless, in trying to get the pull-based API to work, I'm
        finding the
        interactions between rabbitmq and beam with CheckpointMark
        to be
        fundamentally impossible to implement so I'm hoping for some
        input here.

        CheckointMark itself must be Serializable, presumably this
        means it gets
        shuffled around between nodes. However 'Channel', the tunnel
        through
        which it communicates with Rabbit to ack messages and
        finalize the
        checkpoint, is non-Serializable. Like most other CheckpointMark
        implementations, Channel is 'transient'. When a new
        CheckpointMark is
        instantiated, it's given a Channel. If an existing one is
        supplied to
        the Reader's constructor (part of the 'startReader()'
        interface), the
        channel is overwritten.

        *However*, Rabbit does not support 'ack'ing messages on a
        channel other
        than the one that consumed them in the first place.
        Attempting to do so
        results in a '406 (PRECONDITION-FAILED) - unknown delivery
        tag'. (See
        
https://www.grzegorowski.com/rabbitmq-406-channel-closed-precondition-failed

        ).

        Truthfully, I don't really understand how the current
        implementation is
        working; it seems like a happy accident. But I'm curious if
        someone
        could help me debug and implement how to bridge the
        re-usable/serializable CheckpointMark requirement in Beam
        with this
        limitation of Rabbit.

        Thanks,
        -Daniel Robert

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