Hi, I just tried out the yapf formatter and I noticed that sometimes it's
making the original code a lot less readable.
In the below example, - is the original, + is after running the yapf
formatter. Looks like the problem is with the method chaining pattern.
How feasible is it to have yapf identify such a pattern and format it
better?
Before this can be fixed, Is it possible to have a directive in the code
comment to bypass yapf?

Thanks!

-    test_stream = (TestStream()
-                   .advance_watermark_to(0)
-                   .add_elements(['a', 'b', 'c'])
-                   .advance_processing_time(1)
-                   .advance_processing_time(1)
-                   .advance_processing_time(1)
-                   .advance_processing_time(1)
-                   .advance_processing_time(1)
-                   .advance_watermark_to(5)
-                   .add_elements(['1', '2', '3'])
-                   .advance_processing_time(1)
-                   .advance_watermark_to(6)
-                   .advance_processing_time(1)
-                   .advance_watermark_to(7)
-                   .advance_processing_time(1)
-                   .advance_watermark_to(8)
-                   .advance_processing_time(1)
-                   .advance_watermark_to(9)
-                   .advance_processing_time(1)
-                   .advance_watermark_to(10)
-                   .advance_processing_time(1)
-                   .advance_watermark_to(11)
-                   .advance_processing_time(1)
-                   .advance_watermark_to(12)
-                   .advance_processing_time(1)
-                   .advance_watermark_to(13)
-                   .advance_processing_time(1)
-                   .advance_watermark_to(14)
-                   .advance_processing_time(1)
-                   .advance_watermark_to(15)
-                   .advance_processing_time(1)
-                   )
+    test_stream = (
+        TestStream().advance_watermark_to(0).add_elements(
+            ['a', 'b',
'c']).advance_processing_time(1).advance_processing_time(
+                1).advance_processing_time(1).advance_processing_time(1).
+        advance_processing_time(1).advance_watermark_to(5).add_elements(
+            ['1', '2',
'3']).advance_processing_time(1).advance_watermark_to(
+                6).advance_processing_time(1).advance_watermark_to(
+                    7).advance_processing_time(1).advance_watermark_to(
+
 8).advance_processing_time(1).advance_watermark_to(9).
+        advance_processing_time(1).advance_watermark_to(
+            10).advance_processing_time(1).advance_watermark_to(
+                11).advance_processing_time(1).advance_watermark_to(
+                    12).advance_processing_time(1).advance_watermark_to(
+
 13).advance_processing_time(1).advance_watermark_to(
+
 14).advance_processing_time(1).advance_watermark_to(
+                                15).advance_processing_time(1))

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 1:50 PM Robert Bradshaw <[email protected]> wrote:

> Thanks!
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 1:29 PM Ismaël Mejía <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Kamil and Michał for taking care of this.
>> Excellent job!
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 1:45 PM Kamil Wasilewski <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks to everyone involved in the discussion.
>>>
>>> I've taken a look at the first 50 recently updated Pull Requests. Only
>>> few of them were affected. I hope it wouldn't be too hard to fix them.
>>>
>>> In any case, here you can find instructions on how to run formatter:
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BEAM/Python+Tips (section
>>> "Formatting").
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 12:42 PM Michał Walenia <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> the PR is merged, all checks were green :)
>>>> Enjoy prettier Python!
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 11:11 AM Ismaël Mejía <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Agree no need for vote for this because the consensus is clear and the
>>>>> sole
>>>>> impact I can think of are pending PRs that will be broken. In the Java
>>>>> case
>>>>> what we did was to just notice every PR that was affected by the
>>>>> change.
>>>>> And clearly document how to validate and autoformat the code.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the earlier the better, go go autoformat!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 1:38 AM Robert Bradshaw <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No, perhaps not. I agree there's consensus, just wondering what the
>>>>>> next steps should be to get this in. (The presubmits look like they're
>>>>>> all passing, with the exception of some breakage in java that should
>>>>>> be completely unrelated. Of course there's already merge conflicts...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 3:55 PM Ahmet Altay <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Do we need a formal vote? There is consensus on this thread and on
>>>>>> the PR.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 3:37 PM Robert Bradshaw <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> The PR is looking good. Should we call a vote?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 11:03 AM Robert Bradshaw <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Thanks. I commented on the PR. I think if we're going this route
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> >> > should add a pre-commit, plus instructions on how to run the tool
>>>>>> >> > (similar to spotless).
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 10:00 AM Udi Meiri <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > > I've done a pass on the PR on code I'm familiar with.
>>>>>> >> > > Please make a pass and add your suggestions on the PR.
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 7:15 AM Ismaël Mejía <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >> Java build fails on any unformatted code so python probably
>>>>>> should be like that.
>>>>>> >> > >> We have to ensure however that it fails early on that.
>>>>>> >> > >> As Robert said time to debate the knobs :)
>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 3:19 PM Kamil Wasilewski <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>
>>>>>> >> > >>> PR is ready: https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/10684.
>>>>>> Please share your comments ;-) I've managed to reduce the impact a bit:
>>>>>> >> > >>> 501 files changed, 18245 insertions(+), 19495 deletions(-)
>>>>>> >> > >>>
>>>>>> >> > >>> We still need to consider how to enforce the usage of
>>>>>> autoformatter. Pre-commit sounds like a nice addition, but it still needs
>>>>>> to be installed manually by a developer. On the other hand, Jenkins
>>>>>> precommit job that fails if any unformatted code is detected looks like 
>>>>>> too
>>>>>> strict. What do you think?
>>>>>> >> > >>>
>>>>>> >> > >>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Robert Bradshaw <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> Thanks! Now we get to debate what knobs to twiddle :-P
>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> FYI, I did a simple run (just pushed to
>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/beam/compare/master...robertwb:yapf) to see
>>>>>> >> > >>>> the impact. The diff is
>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>>     $ git diff --stat master
>>>>>> >> > >>>>     ...
>>>>>> >> > >>>>      547 files changed, 22118 insertions(+), 21129
>>>>>> deletions(-)
>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> For reference
>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>>     $ find sdks/python/apache_beam -name '*.py' | xargs wc
>>>>>> >> > >>>>     ...
>>>>>> >> > >>>>     200424  612002 7431637 total
>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> which means a little over 10% of lines get touched. I think
>>>>>> there are
>>>>>> >> > >>>> some options, such as
>>>>>> SPLIT_ALL_TOP_LEVEL_COMMA_SEPARATED_VALUES and
>>>>>> >> > >>>> COALESCE_BRACKETS, that will conform more to the style we
>>>>>> are already
>>>>>> >> > >>>> (mostly) following.
>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:59 AM Kamil Wasilewski
>>>>>> >> > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> > Thank you Michał for creating the ticket. I have some
>>>>>> free time and I'd like to volunteer myself for this task.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> > Indeed, it looks like there's consensus for `yapf`, so
>>>>>> I'll try `yapf` first.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> > Best,
>>>>>> >> > >>>> > Kamil
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 10:37 AM Michał Walenia <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> I created a JIRA issue for this and summarized the
>>>>>> available tools
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BEAM-9175
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> Cheers,
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> Michal
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:49 AM Udi Meiri <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>> Sorry, backing off on this due to time constraints.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 3:39 PM Udi Meiri <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>> It sounds like there's a consensus for yapf. I
>>>>>> volunteer to take this on
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 10:31 Udi Meiri <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>> +1 to autoformatting
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 9:57 AM Luke Cwik <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>> +1 to autoformatters. Also the Beam Java SDK went
>>>>>> through a one time pass to apply the spotless formatting.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 9:52 PM Ahmet Altay <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>> +1 to autoformatters and yapf. It appears to be a
>>>>>> well maintained project. I do support making a one time pass to apply
>>>>>> formatting the whole code base.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:38 PM Chad Dombrova <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> It'd be good if there was a way to only apply to
>>>>>> violating (or at
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> least changed) lines.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>> I assumed the first thing we’d do is convert all
>>>>>> of the code in one go, since it’s a very safe operation. Did you have
>>>>>> something else in mind?
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>> -chad
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 1:56 PM Chad Dombrova <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > +1 to autoformatting
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > Let me add some nuance to that.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > The way I see it there are 2 varieties of
>>>>>> formatters:  those which take the original formatting into consideration
>>>>>> (autopep8) and those which disregard it (yapf, black).
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > I much prefer yapf to black, because you have
>>>>>> plenty of options to tweak with yapf (enough to make the output a pretty
>>>>>> close match to the current Beam style), and you can mark areas to 
>>>>>> preserve
>>>>>> the original formatting, which could be very useful with Pipeline 
>>>>>> building
>>>>>> with pipe operators.  Please don't pick black.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > autopep8 is more along the lines of spotless in
>>>>>> Java -- it only corrects code that breaks the project's style rules.  The
>>>>>> big problem with Beam's current style is that it is so esoteric that
>>>>>> autopep8 can't enforce it -- and I'm not just talking about 2-spaces, 
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> I don't really have a problem with -- the problem is the use of either 2 
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> 4 spaces depending on context (expression start vs hanging indent, etc).
>>>>>> This is my *biggest* gripe about the current style.  PyCharm doesn't have
>>>>>> enough control either.  So, if we can choose a style that can be 
>>>>>> expressed
>>>>>> by flake8 or pycodestyle then we can use autopep8 to enforce it.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > I'd prefer autopep8 to yapf because I like
>>>>>> having a little wiggle room to influence the style, but on a big project
>>>>>> like Beam all that wiggle room ends up to minor but noticeable
>>>>>> inconsistencies in style throughout the project.  yapf ensures completely
>>>>>> consistent style, but the tradeoff is that it's sometimes ugly, 
>>>>>> especially
>>>>>> in scenarios with similar repeated entries like argparse, where yapf 
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> insert line breaks in visually inconsistent and unappealing ways 
>>>>>> depending
>>>>>> on the lengths of the keywords and expressions involved.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > Either way (but especially if we choose yapf) I
>>>>>> think it'd be a nice addition to setup a pre-commit [1] config so that
>>>>>> people can opt in to running *lightweight* autofixers prior to commit.
>>>>>> This will not only reduce dev frustration but will also reduce the amount
>>>>>> of cpu cycles that Jenkins spends pointing out lint errors.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > [1] https://pre-commit.com/
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > -chad
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 12:52 PM Ismaël Mejía <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >> Last time we discussed this there seems not to
>>>>>> be much progress into autoformatting.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >> This tool looks more tweakable, so maybe it
>>>>>> could be more appropriate for Beam's use case.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >> https://github.com/google/yapf/
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >> WDYT?
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 10:50 AM Łukasz Gajowy
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> +1 for any autoformatter for Python SDK that
>>>>>> does the job. My experience is that since spotless in Java SDK I would
>>>>>> never start a new Java project without it. So many great benefits not 
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> for one person coding but for all community.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> It is a GitHub UI issue that you cannot
>>>>>> easily browse past the reformat. It is not actually that hard, but does
>>>>>> take a couple extra clicks to get GitHub to display blame before a
>>>>>> reformat. It is easier with the command line. I do a lot of code history
>>>>>> digging and the global Java reformat is not really a problem.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> It's actually one more click on Github but I
>>>>>> agree it's not the best way to search the history. The most convenient 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> clear one I've found so far is in Jetbrains IDEs (Intelij) where you can:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> right click on line number -> "annotate" ->
>>>>>> click again -> "annotate previous revision" -> ...
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> You can also use "compare with" to see the
>>>>>> diff between two revisions.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> Łukasz
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> czw., 30 maj 2019 o 06:15 Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>> [email protected]> napisał(a):
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> +1 pending good enough tooling (I can't
>>>>>> quite tell - seems there are some issues?)
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 2:40 PM Katarzyna
>>>>>> Kucharczyk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> What else actually we gain? My guess is
>>>>>> faster PR review iteration. We will skip some of conversations about code
>>>>>> style.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> ...
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> Last but not least, new contributor may be
>>>>>> less discouraged. When I started contribute I didn’t know how to format 
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> code and I lost a lot of time to add pylint and adjust IntelliJ. I
>>>>>> eventually failed. Currently I write code intuitively and when I don’t
>>>>>> forget I rerun tox.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> This is a huge benefit. This is why I
>>>>>> supported it so much for Java. It is a community benefit. You do not have
>>>>>> to be a contributor to the Python SDK to support this. That is why I am
>>>>>> writing here. Just eliminate all discussion of formatting. It doesn't
>>>>>> really matter what the resulting format is, if it is not crazy to read. I
>>>>>> strongly oppose maintaining a non-default format.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> Reformating 20k lines or 200k is not hard.
>>>>>> The Java global reformat touched 50k lines. It does not really matter how
>>>>>> big it is. Definitely do it all at once if you think the tool is good
>>>>>> enough. And you should pin a version, so churn is not a problem. You can
>>>>>> upgrade the version and reformat in a PR later and that is also easy.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> It is a GitHub UI issue that you cannot
>>>>>> easily browse past the reformat. It is not actually that hard, but does
>>>>>> take a couple extra clicks to get GitHub to display blame before a
>>>>>> reformat. It is easier with the command line. I do a lot of code history
>>>>>> digging and the global Java reformat is not really a problem.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> Kenn
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> Also everything will be formatted in a same
>>>>>> way, so eventually it would be easier to read.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> Moreover, as it was mentioned in previous
>>>>>> emails - a lot of Jenkins failures won’t take place, so we save time and
>>>>>> resources.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> One of disadvantages is that our pipelines
>>>>>> has custom syntax and after formatting they looks a little bit weird, but
>>>>>> maybe extending the only configurable option in Black - lines, from 88 to
>>>>>> 110 would be solution.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> Second one is that Black requires Python 3
>>>>>> to be run. I don’t know how big obstacle it would be.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> I believe there are two options how it
>>>>>> would be possible to introduce Black. First: just do it, it will hurt but
>>>>>> then it would be ok (same as a dentist appointment). Of course it may
>>>>>> require some work to adjust linters. On the other hand we can do it
>>>>>> gradually and start including sdk parts one by one - maybe it will be 
>>>>>> less
>>>>>> painful?
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> As an example I can share one of projects
>>>>>> [2] I know that uses Black (they use also other cool checkers and
>>>>>> pre-commit [3]). This is how looks their build with all checks [4].
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> To sum up I believe that if we want improve
>>>>>> our coding experience, we should improve our toolset. Black seems be 
>>>>>> recent
>>>>>> and quite popular tool what makes think they won’t stop developing it.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> [1]
>>>>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4112410/git-change-styling-whitespace-without-changing-ownership-blame
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> [2]
>>>>>> https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/oozie-to-airflow
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> [3] https://pre-commit.com
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> [4]
>>>>>> https://travis-ci.org/GoogleCloudPlatform/oozie-to-airflow/builds/538725689
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 2:01 PM Robert
>>>>>> Bradshaw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Reformatting to 4 spaces seems a
>>>>>> non-starter to me, as it would change nearly every single line in the
>>>>>> codebase (and the loss of all context as well as that particular line).
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> This is probably why the 2-space fork
>>>>>> exists. However, we don't conform to that either--we use 2 spaces for
>>>>>> indentation, but 4 for continuation indentation. (As for the history of
>>>>>> this, this goes back to Google's internal style guide, probably motivated
>>>>>> by consistency with C++, Java, ... and the fact that with an indent level
>>>>>> of 4 one ends up wrapping lines quite frequently (it's telling that 
>>>>>> black's
>>>>>> default line length is 88)). This turns out to be an easy change to the
>>>>>> codebase.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Once we move beyond the 2 vs. 4 whitespace
>>>>>> thing, I found that this tool introduces a huge amount of vertical
>>>>>> whitespace (e.g. closing parentheses on their own line), e.g.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> def foo(
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>     args
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> ):
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>   if (
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>       long expression)
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>   ):
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>     func(
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>         args
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>     )
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> I wrote a simple post-processor to put
>>>>>> closing parentheses on the same lines, as well as omit the newline after
>>>>>> "if (", and disabling formatting of strings, which reduce the churn in 
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> codebase to 15k lines (adding about 4k) out of 200k total.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8712/files
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> It's still very opinionated, often in
>>>>>> different ways then me, and doesn't understand the semantics of the code,
>>>>>> but possibly something we could live with given the huge advantages of an
>>>>>> autoformatter.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> An intermediate point would be to allow,
>>>>>> but not require, autoformatting of changed lines.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> As for being beta quality, it looks like
>>>>>> it's got a decent number of contributors and in my book being in the 
>>>>>> python
>>>>>> github project is a strong positive signal. But, due to the above 
>>>>>> issues, I
>>>>>> think we'd have to maintain a fork. (The code is pretty lightweight, the 
>>>>>> 2
>>>>>> vs. 4 space issue is a 2-line change, and the rest implemented as a
>>>>>> post-processing step (for now, incomplete), so it'd be easy to stay in 
>>>>>> sync
>>>>>> with upstream.)
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 11:03 AM Ismaël
>>>>>> Mejía <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > I think the question is if it can be
>>>>>> configured in a way to fit our
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > current linter's style. I don't think
>>>>>> it is feasible to reformat the
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > entire Python SDK.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > It cannot be configured to do what we
>>>>>> actually do because Black is
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > configurable only to support the
>>>>>> standard python codestyle guidelines
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > (PEP-8) which recommends 4 spaces and is
>>>>>> what most projects in the
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > python world use.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > Reformatted lines don't allow quick
>>>>>> access to the Git history. This
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > effect is still visible in the Java
>>>>>> SDK. However, I have the feeling
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > that this might be less of a problem
>>>>>> with Python because the linter has
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > more rules than Checkstyle had.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > Yes that’s the bad side effect but there
>>>>>> are always tradeoffs we have
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > to deal with.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:52 AM
>>>>>> Maximilian Michels <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > I think the question is if it can be
>>>>>> configured in a way to fit our
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > current linter's style. I don't think
>>>>>> it is feasible to reformat the
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > entire Python SDK.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > Reformatted lines don't allow quick
>>>>>> access to the Git history. This
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > effect is still visible in the Java
>>>>>> SDK. However, I have the feeling
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > that this might be less of a problem
>>>>>> with Python because the linter has
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > more rules than Checkstyle had.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > -Max
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > On 29.05.19 10:16, Ismaël Mejía wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >> My concerns are:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >> - The product is clearly marked as
>>>>>> beta with a big warning.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >> - It looks like mostly a single
>>>>>> person project. For the same reason I also strongly prefer not using a 
>>>>>> fork
>>>>>> for a specific setting. Fork will only have less people looking at it.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > I suppose the project is marked as
>>>>>> beta because it is recent, it was
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > presented in 2018’s pycon, and
>>>>>> because some things can change since
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > auto-formatters are pretty tricky
>>>>>> beasts, I think beta in that case is
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > like our own ‘@Experimental’. If you
>>>>>> look at the contribution page [1]
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > you can notice that it is less and
>>>>>> less a single person project, there
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > have been 93 independent
>>>>>> contributions since the project became
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > public, and the fact that it is
>>>>>> hosted in the python organization
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > github [2] gives some confidence on
>>>>>> the project continuity.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > You are right however about the fact
>>>>>> that the main author seems to be
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > the ‘benevolent’ dictator, and in
>>>>>> the 2-spaces issue he can seem
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > arbitrary, but he is just following
>>>>>> pep8 style guide recommendations
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > [3]. I am curious of why we (Beam)
>>>>>> do not follow the 4 spaces
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > recommendation of PEP-8 or even
>>>>>> Google's own Python style guide [4],
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > So, probably it should be to us to
>>>>>> reconsider the current policy to
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > adapt to the standards (and the
>>>>>> tool).
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > I did a quick run of black with
>>>>>> python 2.7 compatibility on
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > sdks/python and got only 4 parsing
>>>>>> errors which is positive given the
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > size of our code base.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > 415 files reformatted, 45 files left
>>>>>> unchanged, 4 files failed to reformat.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > error: cannot format
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> /home/ismael/upstream/beam/sdks/python/apache_beam/runners/interactive/display/display_manager.py:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > Cannot parse: 47:22:
>>>>>>  _display_progress = print
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > error: cannot format
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> /home/ismael/upstream/beam/sdks/python/apache_beam/runners/worker/log_handler.py:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > Cannot parse: 151:18:
>>>>>>  file=sys.stderr)
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > error: cannot format
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> /home/ismael/upstream/beam/sdks/python/apache_beam/runners/worker/sdk_worker.py:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > Cannot parse: 160:34:
>>>>>>  print(traceback_string, file=sys.stderr)
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > error: cannot format
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> /home/ismael/upstream/beam/sdks/python/apache_beam/typehints/trivial_inference.py:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > Cannot parse: 335:51:
>>>>>>  print('-->' if pc == last_pc else '    ',
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > end=' ')
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > I still think this can be positive
>>>>>> for the project but well I am
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > barely a contributor to the python
>>>>>> code base so I let you the python
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > maintainers to reconsider this, in
>>>>>> any case it seems like a good
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > improvement for the project.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > [1]
>>>>>> https://github.com/python/black/graphs/contributors
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > [2] https://github.com/python
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > [3]
>>>>>> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/#indentation
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > [4]
>>>>>> https://github.com/google/styleguide/blob/gh-pages/pyguide.md#34-indentation
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:15 PM
>>>>>> Ahmet Altay <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >> I am in the same boat with Robert,
>>>>>> I am in favor of autoformatters but I am not familiar with this one. My
>>>>>> concerns are:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >> - The product is clearly marked as
>>>>>> beta with a big warning.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >> - It looks like mostly a single
>>>>>> person project. For the same reason I also strongly prefer not using a 
>>>>>> fork
>>>>>> for a specific setting. Fork will only have less people looking at it.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >> IMO, this is in an early stage for
>>>>>> us. That said lint issues are real as pointed in the thread. If someone
>>>>>> would like to give it a try and see how it would look like for us that
>>>>>> would be interesting.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 4:44 AM
>>>>>> Katarzyna Kucharczyk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>> This sounds really good. A lot of
>>>>>> Jenkins jobs failures are caused by lint problems.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>> I think it would be great to have
>>>>>> something similar to Spotless in Java SDK (I heard there is problem with
>>>>>> configuring Black with IntelliJ).
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>> On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 10:52 PM
>>>>>> Robert Bradshaw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>> I'm generally in favor of
>>>>>> autoformatters, though I haven't looked at
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>> how well this particular one
>>>>>> works. We might have to go with
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/desbma/black-2spaces given
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/python/black/issues/378 .
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>> On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 10:43 PM
>>>>>> Pablo Estrada <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>> This looks pretty good:) I know
>>>>>> at least a couple people (myself included) who've been annoyed by having 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> take care of lint issues that maybe a code formatter could save us.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>> Thanks for sharing Ismael.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>> -P.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>> On Mon, May 27, 2019, 12:24 PM
>>>>>> Ismaël Mejía <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I stumbled by chance into Black
>>>>>> [1] a python code auto formatter that
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>>> is becoming the 'de-facto'
>>>>>> auto-formatter for python, and wanted to
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>>> bring to the ML Is there
>>>>>> interest from the python people to get this
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>>> into the build?
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>>> The introduction of spotless
>>>>>> for Java has been a good improvement and
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>>> maybe the python code base may
>>>>>> benefit of this too.
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> https://github.com/python/black
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> --
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> Michał Walenia
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> Polidea | Software Engineer
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> M: +48 791 432 002 <+48%20791%20432%20002>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> E: [email protected]
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> Unique Tech
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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