That is an interesting suggestion to change to use a sketch.

I believe having one metric URN that represents all this information
grouped together would make sense instead of attempting to aggregate
several metrics together. The underlying implementation of using
sum/count/max/min would stay the same but we would want a single object
that abstracts this complexity away for users as well.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 3:42 AM Gleb Kanterov <[email protected]> wrote:

> Didn't see proposal by Alex before today. I want to add a few more cents
> from my side.
>
> There is a paper Moment-based quantile sketches for efficient high
> cardinality aggregation queries [1], a TL;DR that for some N (around 10-20
> depending on accuracy) we need to collect SUM(log^N(X)) ... log(X),
> COUNT(X), SUM(X), SUM(X^2)... SUM(X^N), MAX(X), MIN(X). Given aggregated
> numbers, it uses solver for Chebyshev polynomials to get quantile number,
> and there is already Java implementation for it on GitHub [2].
>
> This way we can express quantiles using existing metric types in Beam,
> that can be already done without SDK or runner changes. It can fit nicely
> into existing runners and can be abstracted over if needed. I think this is
> also one of the best implementations, it has < 1% error rate for 200 bytes
> of storage, and quite efficient to compute. Did we consider using that?
>
> [1]:
> https://blog.acolyer.org/2018/10/31/moment-based-quantile-sketches-for-efficient-high-cardinality-aggregation-queries/
> [2]: https://github.com/stanford-futuredata/msketch
>
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 6:15 AM Alex Amato <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The distinction here is that even though these metrics come from user
>> space, we still gave them specific URNs, which imply they have a specific
>> format, with specific labels, etc.
>>
>> That is, we won't be packaging them into a USER_HISTOGRAM urn. That URN
>> would have less expectation for its format. Today the USER_COUNTER just
>> expects like labels (TRANSFORM, NAME, NAMESPACE).
>>
>> We didn't decide on making a private API. But rather an API available to
>> user code for populating metrics with specific labels, and specific URNs.
>> The same API could pretty much be used for user USER_HISTOGRAM. with a
>> default URN chosen.
>> Thats how I see it in my head at the moment.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 8:52 PM Robert Bradshaw <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 7:35 PM Alex Amato <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I am only tackling the specific metrics covered in (for the python SDK
>>> first, then Java). To collect latency of IO API RPCS, and store it in a
>>> histogram.
>>> > https://s.apache.org/beam-gcp-debuggability
>>> >
>>> > User histogram metrics are unfunded, as far as I know. But you should
>>> be able to extend what I do for that project to the user metric use case. I
>>> agree, it won't be much more work to support that. I designed the histogram
>>> with the user histogram case in mind.
>>>
>>> From the portability point of view, all metrics generated in users
>>> code (and SDK-side IOs are "user code") are user metrics. But
>>> regardless of how things are named, once we have histogram metrics
>>> crossing the FnAPI boundary all the infrastructure will be in place.
>>> (At least the plan as I understand it shouldn't use private APIs
>>> accessible only by the various IOs but not other SDK-level code.)
>>>
>>> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 5:47 PM Robert Bradshaw <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Once histograms are implemented in the SDK(s) (Alex, you're tackling
>>> >> this, right?) it shoudn't be much work to update the Samza worker code
>>> >> to publish these via the Samza runner APIs (in parallel with Alex's
>>> >> work to do the same on Dataflow).
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 5:35 PM Alex Amato <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Noone has any plans currently to work on adding a generic histogram
>>> metric, at the moment.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > But I will be actively working on adding it for a specific set of
>>> metrics in the next quarter or so
>>> >> > https://s.apache.org/beam-gcp-debuggability
>>> >> >
>>> >> > After that work, one could take a look at my PRs for reference to
>>> create new metrics using the same histogram. One may wish to implement the
>>> UserHistogram use case and use that in the Samza Runner
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 5:25 PM Ke Wu <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Thank you Robert and Alex. I am not running a Beam job in Google
>>> Cloud but with Samza Runner, so I am wondering if there is any ETA to add
>>> the Histogram metrics in Metrics class so it can be mapped to the
>>> SamzaHistogram metric to the actual emitting.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Best,
>>> >> >> Ke
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Aug 14, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Alex Amato <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> One of the plans to use the histogram data is to send it to Google
>>> Monitoring to compute estimates of percentiles. This is done using the
>>> bucket counts and bucket boundaries.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Here is a describing of roughly how its calculated.
>>> >> >>
>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59635115/gcp-console-how-are-percentile-charts-calculated
>>> >> >> This is a non exact estimate. But plotting the estimated
>>> percentiles over time is often easier to understand and sufficient.
>>> >> >> (An alternative is a heatmap chart representing histograms over
>>> time. I.e. a histogram for each window of time).
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 4:16 PM Robert Bradshaw <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> You may be interested in the propose histogram metrics:
>>> >> >>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kiNG2BAR-51pRdBCK4-XFmc0WuIkSuBzeb__Zv8owbU/edit
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> I think it'd be reasonable to add percentiles as its own metric
>>> type
>>> >> >>> as well. The tricky bit (though there are lots of resources on
>>> this)
>>> >> >>> is that one would have to publish more than just the percentiles
>>> from
>>> >> >>> each worker to be able to compute the final percentiles across all
>>> >> >>> workers.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 4:05 PM Ke Wu <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > Hi everyone,
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > I am looking to add percentile metrics (p50, p90 etc) to my
>>> beam job but I only find Counter, Gauge and Distribution metrics. I
>>> understand that I can calculate percentile metrics in my job itself and use
>>> Gauge to emit, however this is not an easy approach. On the other hand,
>>> Distribution metrics sounds like the one to go to according to its
>>> documentation: "A metric that reports information about the distribution of
>>> reported values.”, however it seems that it is intended for SUM, COUNT,
>>> MIN, MAX.
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > The question(s) are:
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > 1. is Distribution metric only intended for sum, count, min,
>>> max?
>>> >> >>> > 2. If Yes, can the documentation be updated to be more specific?
>>> >> >>> > 3. Can we add percentiles metric support, such as Histogram,
>>> with configurable list of percentiles to emit?
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > Best,
>>> >> >>> > Ke
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>>
>>

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