Arron,
Sorry for the delay in getting to your question on the
the list, I am the
list moderator and I was a way for a few days.
Your frustrations with OOo's bibliographic features are shared by the members
of this list.
I do not have Endnote so you will need advise us as to what
Harvard_Curtin_2005 requires. Could you provide some details of the
specification.
What can be done with the current form of OOo is customise the bibliographic
table albeit (within is own set of limitations) and save that document as a
template. As you are probably aware the current bibliographic citation
support is for intext citation only and it is up to the user to compose the
citation string called the 'Short name' ie "dwilson:2005" manually. It would
be possible to write a macro to regenerate these citations strings to a set
of rules for a single style (but running the macro would be another manual
operation). There is still the dreadful data entry form, although this can be
augmented by some 3rd party java based bibliographic programs such as B3
which can share a bibliographic database with OOo. How close would this get
to your minimum requirements ?
The 'OO style sheet implementation' which we are developing cannot yet be run
within OOo and it will require changes to the WP before it can. We hope this
work will start later this year, but unfortunately we cannot tell you when it
might be available, it is unlikely to be this year, and we all hope that it
will be next year.
Thanks for your offer of assistance for testing, we hope we can offer some
soon.
Is there any chance of the Curtain IT department setting some OOo
Bibliographic development task as a class project ? Some work has been done
on this at Kent State Uni see http://www.cs.kent.edu/~capstone/
regards
David Wilson
On Friday 22 April 2005 4:38 pm, Arron Arntzen wrote:
> Hi Andreas Martens (at sun.com)
> [email protected]
>
> I am a lecturer and unit controller at Curtin University in Western
> Australia. Curtin has 32 campuses, mostly overseas.
>
> I have been using OO for all my own work since late beta's. I look like
> having input and some control over the content of the IS100 unit (i.e.
> 1st year intro to IS) next semester (July 2005).
>
> The only reason I cannot suggest to Curtin they throw out MSWord is the
> lack of output formatting in OO's bibliography. The OO style sheet
> implementation is exactly what I wish to teach the students, rather than
> the botched mess (my professional opinion, restated politely) provided
> in MSWord.
>
> To oversimplify, I am torn between giving the students an efficient way
> of creating their assignments and having poor referencing, or an
> inefficient way of producing their work and having good referencing.
>
> Given Curtin's strict policy on referencing, the former is not actually
> an option (yet...). This is also costing the students in my unit a
> significant increase in workload, and I would love to correct the
> problem.
>
> I am enclosing the three Endnote output styles from the University's
> website. The School of IS uses the Harvard_Curtin_2005.ens style sheet.
> Other Curtin Schools somewhere presumably use the other ones.
>
> If your team could provide a version of the "Harvard_Curtin_2005.ens" I
> could use in OO, there is a high probability I could migrate the
> students to at least OO Writer and Impress in late July. If not, Summer
> School in December, or next year etc..
>
> I am quite happy to assist in testing the output, as I am currently
> doing most of my Curtin work in OO, then transferring to Word to run
> Endnote for the referencing. If you send me an alpha version, I have
> three or four "guinea pig" computers I can trash at will for testing.
>
> If I can be of any further assistance, please feel free to contact me.
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Arron Arntzen
> Unit Controller
> Analysis (Problem Analysis) 150 all campuses.
> Curtin University
> Mobile (Cell): +61 423 283 474
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Co-Project Lead for the Bibliographic
OpenOffice Project
http://bibliographic.openoffice.org
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