Hi Zoltan,

> For example I use NetBeans, and things just work with maven.
Have you tried intellij? It works fine with Gradle. And it is free.

> Gradle will add friction to contributors familiar with maven and unfamiliar 
> with gradle...  
Your case is far better than mine, at least you have knowledge of maven. I have 
near 0 knowledge for both maven and gradle. But that doesn't prevent me from 
making contribution to Calcite. The only command I run daily is ./gradlew 
build.  And I am happy with it. :) So don't worry about that. Feel free to ask 
if you need help, I think Vladimir and other community members are more than 
happy to help.

Thanks,
Haisheng

On 2020/06/15 23:27:21, Zoltan Farkas <[email protected]> wrote: 
> Vladimir, 
> 
> A new user will probably be impacted more by the IDE experience.
> 
> Some IDEs do better at handling maven than gradle... For example I use 
> NetBeans, and things just work with maven.
> 
> In my experience, Maven is simply a more mature tool (use it since 2002), 
> more plugins, good IDE support, with more developers being fluent with it. 
> 
> Gradle will add friction to contributors familiar with maven and unfamiliar 
> with gradle...  
> 
> Hope it’s worth it...
> 
> --z
> 
> > On Jun 15, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Vladimir Sitnikov 
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >> 
> >> Gradle is not that user friendly for new uses
> > 
> > Can you please elaborate?
> > 
> > Gradle's command line is easier to follow as it provides help with the
> > usable tasks and descriptions,
> > and it requires much less ceremony.
> > For instance, with Maven I often had issues like "ExtenderSqlParserImpl not
> > found" (== I had to build the project before importing to the IDE),
> > and Gradle fixes that.
> > 
> > Vladimir
> 
> 

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