Claus, 

Yes, beer is on me.
The explanation makes sense but I'll ping you on usage of the model.

I made the change after hunting an NPE when upgrading code from an 
older Camel release.



On Dec 17, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Claus Ibsen wrote:

> That you commit something which you shouldn't have done.
> 
> Today it was Johan's Ed. first time he did that. Welcome to the club.
> I am the president, I must have committed the most bad commits to
> Camel :)
> 
> Your little change in the route model (FromDefinition) really got me
> puzzled today.
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1050112&view=rev
> 
> I have been working on a bigger improvement and have changed files in
> core, core-xml, spring. And suddenly I got unit test failures in
> camel-spring.
> I wondered why because the commits today have been simple and not in
> that area. And the CI servers have been busy with other projects and
> haven't got around testing the latest commits from trunk. So I
> couldn't see the test failures there.
> 
> Anyway I digged into it, and almost had me wished I have switched to
> git, so I can do a stach. Yeah I will switch later. Writing a book
> took all my time.
> Then I remembered your commit. The problem is that the route model
> must be stateless and agnostic, eg not tied to a runtime CamelContext.
> You can use the route model to create runtime routes, and thus it can
> act as a skeleton.
> 
> So in your change you introduced state as it remembered the endpoint
> you would lookup at runtime. But the problem is that you could have it
> lookup endpoints from CamelContext A and then use the route model to
> create a new runtime route in another camel context or whatever. Then
> that endpoint is no looked up in CamelContext B, but it will just use
> the existing it previous looked up from CamelContext A.
> 
> For example using the routeContext in XML.
> http://camel.apache.org/configuring-camel.html
> 
> You may consider buying a beer when we meet. My wife got a bit cranky
> because I was occupied digging into this issue,
> than talking with her when she came home from work.
> 
> Anyway welcome to the club.
> 
> I actually wrote this as a reminder to us all about the route model
> must be stateless. The mistake here could be done by any of us, so
> there are no hard feelings. Just that it took me for a little ride,
> which doesn't happend that often anymore with Camel. (Well except
> crappy and mysterious issues with osgi, but that's another story for
> all of us).
> 
> 
> -- 
> Claus Ibsen
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