I've corresponded with Hadrian about this off list. Whilst I understand the sentiment, this policy certainly wasn't clear to me or other PMC members. Whilst there are occasional links to external information, mainly at FuseSource, these are historical and done in the context of providing information to new users and developers whilst we growing the Camel community, to be one of the most successful and widely used projects at Apache today. This isn't unique to Apache Camel, its a methodology we've successfully followed whilst initiating and growing ActiveMQ, ServiceMix, Karaf and CXF - to get as much information into users hands as early as possible, from whatever source that maybe. Given where Camel is today, its absolutely right to have a level playing ground - but what I would like to see is that this policy is clearly understood by everyone - and not handled in off list conversations.
I would like to propose that from now on all links to 3rd party distributions or usages of Apache Camel in a 3rd party product are put into (but not limited to) the following 4 categories: 1. support 2. Articles 3. Tutorials 4. Tools And there is a grace period (till end of June 2011) to move links to external information to one of these areas by the authors, else it they will be deleted. Here's my +1 On 3 May 2011, at 16:52, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: > No, there are things that are not up to the community to decide. I drew > attention when some changes were made that that was a mistake and my > impression was that the point was well taken. I also mentioned that if > changes won't be removed by their authors I will. That was months ago. If > anything, I can be blamed for not making these changes earlier. > > The Apache Camel project has a designated place to inform the users community > of commercial offerings [1]. And there are also the articles [2] and > tutorials [3] pages that can be used (within reason). Everything else a > commercial organization has to say about offerings related to the Apache > projects can be done on their site. > > I hope this clarifies it, > Hadrian > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAMEL/Support > [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAMEL/Articles > [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAMEL/Tutorials > > > > On May 3, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Claus Ibsen wrote: > >> Hi >> >> This post is addressed to Hadrian who has been deleting and editing >> web pages from Apache Camel (today), >> which seems to be related to the fact those pages had information about Fuse. >> >> I would like to call out that such actions should have been discussed >> in the public at first and agreed upon by the community. >> >> Most of the information has been there for a long time and its related >> and relevant for Apache Camel. >> And of use for people who look into what Camel is. >> >> >> -- >> Claus Ibsen >> ----------------- >> FuseSource >> Email: cib...@fusesource.com >> Web: http://fusesource.com >> CamelOne 2011: http://fusesource.com/camelone2011/ >> Twitter: davsclaus >> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/ >> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/ >
