Jeff Genender, I and James Carman long ago were tossing around the idea of Ibex, it would have been a Scala based AKKA eco system for putting in routes. You’d just say run in this namespace, conform to these Actor roles and we compose the tree for you.
What you propose is a bit easier and more tangible to attract space for Camel as an engine to well, keep open source in “I can’t even write a main class” :) > On Jul 12, 2018, at 5:30 PM, Nicola Ferraro <ni.ferr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Cameleers, > it's now passed some time since I started thinking about a new project that > we can begin here at Apache Camel, and I'd like to have your opinion. > > We've already been targeting cloud-native applications with Camel, > especially on top of Kubernetes, that is becoming "the standard" cloud > platform. But writing a Camel integration and running it on Kubernetes > requires some effort: choosing the base platform (spring-boot, karaf, > simple main?), adding health checks (actuator?), packaging a docker image > and creating the Kubernetes resources (fabric8-maven-plugin, helm?), > publishing the image on a docker registry, then finally deploying the > resources on a Kubernetes cluster. > > The resulting integration container is then far from being optimal from a > resource consumption point of view: it is likely that a Camel Spring-Boot > application will require at least 200MB of RAM and also some CPU shares > because of polling threads used by many components. > > In case people use a CI/CD pipeline, it will take also a long time to get > from a code update to having a Kubernetes POD up and running. > Apart from compilation and image push/pull time, also startup time is often > ~10 seconds for Camel + Spring-Boot in a container with standard limits on > resources, making it difficult to propose this combination for "serverless > integration" (this term is becoming increasingly more popular). > > So, my proposal is to start to investigate a "more cloud-native" approach > to integration: *making Camel integrations first-class citizens in > Kubernetes, and making them super fast and lightweight.* > > We can base the project on Kubernetes Custom Resource Definitions (CRD) > <https://kubernetes.io/docs/concepts/extend-kubernetes/api-extension/custom-resources/>, > for example a Integration CRD and have a Kubernetes "operator" > <https://coreos.com/operators/> taking care of: > - Optimizing the integration that we want to run > - Packaging in a container > - Running it on Kubernetes > - Managing its entire lifecycle > > A Kubernetes-native integration may look like: > > ------------------- > kind: "Integration" > apiVersion: "camel.apache.org/v1alpha1" > metadata: > name: "example" > spec: > replicas: 1 > routes: > - id: timer > route: > - type: endpoint > uri: timer:tick > - type: endpoint > uri: log:info > ------------------- > > For those who are not familiar with Kubernetes resources, this kind of > YAML/JSON resource definitions are really common. > The example route is embedded in the Kubernetes resource declaration and > follows a basic "flow DSL". We may start from a basic one and evolve it as > new requirements arrive from the community. > > I've made a very simple (but working) POC here: > https://github.com/nicolaferraro/integration-operator. > > This idea of a "Cloud-Native Camel" on Kubernetes (project codename can be " > *Kamel*", if you like it :D), will be an enabler for a lot of nice features. > > For example, we can propose "Kamel" as "ideal" platform for "serverless > integration" (I see many people reinventing the wheel out there): the > operator can reduce resource consumption of a single integration by > optimizing the runtime and also pause/resume integrations when they are not > used, that is the basic idea behind "serverless" (e.g. think to > HTTP-triggered integrations, but not only). > Focusing on serverless will bring more emphasis on push-based notifications > (webhooks, cloud events <https://cloudevents.io/>), that are rarely used in > Camel components, that prefer a poll based approach being it simpler to use > in classic deployments, but not so good in the cloud, where more resources > become higher direct costs for the users. > > The presence of the simplified DSL enables also experimenting on "*reduced* > subsets of Camel" implemented in languages other than Java, for example one > language that has a reactive approach on thread scheduling and a really low > memory footprint, like Go. > > But apart from this kind of experiments (that are valid IMO), the "Kamel" > optimizer will have free room to choose the right platform for the > integration that the user wants to run, including, in the future, doing AOT > compilation using Graal/VM (less memory, faster startup) if the features > (components) used in the integration are supporting it (maybe we can add > AOT compilation in the roadmap for Camel 3). > A silly optimization: integrations starting from "timer:..." may be > scheduled directly with Kubernetes CronJobs, so they will consume resources > only when actually running. > > Being the final integrations lightweight and being the DSL > language-independent, we may see a increased adoption of Camel also as > agile integration layer for not-only-java applications (both "cloud" and > "serverless" applications). > > I'm the first one that would like to work on a project ilke this. I've > worked on many Kubernetes/Openshift based applications and frameworks in > the past years, also on operators and CRDs, and I think this way of > redesigning integrations has a lot of potential. > > Integrations will not be necessarily limited to the simplified DSL, but we > can add extension points for scripting and even custom libraries (although > limiting the freedom of the optimizer). > > The most important thing: it may become a great project, since it's driven > by a great community. > > So, what do you think? Is it crazy enough? > > Nicola