(mostly reiterating) +1 to branching and unfreezing trunk, and to codifying the release cadence. Excited about the 4.0 rc! and looking forward to the roadmap discussion!!
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 8:18 AM Paulo Motta <pauloricard...@gmail.com> wrote: > > My thinking was talking about when to lift the freeze was moot if we > hadn't branched, and the agreed upon release lifecycle is pretty clear that > we don't branch until GA. Am I misunderstanding the relationship there? > > The proposal of this thread is to branch and lift the freeze before GA. > > I agree to this proposal but I'm suggesting we close and codify the release > cadence discussion from [1] before we lift the freeze, and maybe kick off > the roadmap discussion but we probably shouldn't block the unfreeze on > this. > > Looking back at the thread from [1] I saw that while we reached an > agreement on the release cadence, we haven't discussed how we plan to > ensure the quality of the releases moving forward, so we should also kick > off this discussion but also don't need to block branching on this. > > [1] - > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cassandra-dev/202101.mbox/%3ccabxe4tqrft9yn9tscd0jcs4qxe4vfeezqqtkbcw16d+3rgg...@mail.gmail.com%3e > > > Em qui., 25 de mar. de 2021 às 12:00, Joshua McKenzie < > jmcken...@apache.org> > escreveu: > > > > > > > be very practical and codify our existing agreements > > > discussed on the mentioned threads before lifting the freeze > > > > Ah. My thinking was talking about when to lift the freeze was moot if we > > hadn't branched, and the agreed upon release lifecycle is pretty clear > that > > we don't branch until GA. Am I misunderstanding the relationship there? > > > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:56 AM Paulo Motta <pauloricard...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > That said, I think freezing feature contribution and not branching > > until > > > GA like we've newly done with 4.0 is bad for the health of the project > > > > > > +1. I think the freeze and branching until GA was atypical and unique > to > > > 4.0 and won't be repeated in the upcoming releases. I agree with > > Sumanth's > > > proposal on the release doc that branching should not be tied to a > > specific > > > release phase but decided independently by the community during the > > release > > > process (as it's being done now). > > > > > > > I think we should probably discuss the release process separately and > > > revise our agreements and process based on learnings from this release. > > > > > > Just to clarify: I'm not proposing we make a lengthy revision of the > > > release process, but be very practical and codify our existing > agreements > > > discussed on the mentioned threads before lifting the freeze and > discuss > > > any remaining concerns (just to ensure we will not leave this for later > > and > > > have clear expectations for the next release cycles). > > > > > > Em qui., 25 de mar. de 2021 às 11:10, Joshua McKenzie < > > > jmcken...@apache.org> > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > The current "Release Lifecycle" wiki doc speaks to when we branch: > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CASSANDRA/Release+Lifecycle > > > > > > > > Specifically under "General Availability (GA)": > > > > > > > > - A new branch is created for the release with the new major > > version, > > > > limiting any new feature addition to the new release branch, with > > new > > > > feature development will continue to happen only on trunk. > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, I think freezing feature contribution and not branching > > until > > > GA > > > > like we've newly done with 4.0 is bad for the health of the project. > > > Also, > > > > I don't think the project can survive another release cycle as long > and > > > as > > > > exclusionary as the 4.0 release has been (judging by declining > > > contribution > > > > volume, declining external ticket creation and interactions, and > > > db-engine > > > > indicators of popularity declining), so I think we should probably > > > discuss > > > > the release process separately and revise our agreements and process > > > based > > > > on learnings from this release. > > > > > > > > Just my .02 though as I'm no longer actively involved. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:15 AM Paulo Motta < > pauloricard...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I agree we should start considering branching 4.0 and unfreezing > > soon, > > > > but > > > > > before I think we should: > > > > > - Close the loop on the agreed points of the "releases after 4.0" > [1] > > > and > > > > > "project roadmap" [2] threads and document the new release > guidelines > > > > > post-4.0 so we have a good starting point. > > > > > - Revisit the previous discussions on unfreezing 4.0 and address > any > > > > > remaining concerns that may still be open. > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to this exciting milestone! > > > > > > > > > > [1] - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cassandra-dev/202101.mbox/%3ccabxe4tqrft9yn9tscd0jcs4qxe4vfeezqqtkbcw16d+3rgg...@mail.gmail.com%3e > > > > > [2] - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cassandra-dev/202103.mbox/%3c050276ba-d9da-40a9-9eb3-c0087b45b...@apache.org%3e > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Em qui., 25 de mar. de 2021 às 09:34, Ekaterina Dimitrova < > > > > > e.dimitr...@gmail.com> escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Benjamin, > > > > > > Thanks for bringing it up. I support the idea. > > > > > > I saw more activity from new contributors lately, also Google > > Summer > > > of > > > > > > Code is around the corner. Plus I feel it gives a very positive > > > signal > > > > > > about the state of the project. > > > > > > The amount of tickets before GA is really quite low. CI is > almost > > > > > green, I > > > > > > almost haven’t seen a test failure because of product problem but > > > > mostly > > > > > > tests issues. We are so close, it is very exciting time for this > > > > project. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Ekaterina > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 at 8:25, Benjamin Lerer <ble...@apache.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are now extremely close to releasing 4.0-RC, the number of > > > tickets > > > > > > left > > > > > > > in the 4.0-GA scope is 20 and only 3 of them are not assigned > > yet. > > > By > > > > > > > consequence, I was wondering if it would make sense to create a > > 4.0 > > > > > > branch > > > > > > > and unfreeze trunk when we release RC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The advantages I see are that it will highly increase the scope > > of > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > on which newcomers can work on and will allow people to move > > > smoothly > > > > > to > > > > > > > 4.0.X tickets when there are no more available tickets in the > 4.0 > > > GA > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benjamin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
