On 26/02/2007, at 12:55 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
* We joined the club of gullible people who bought into the Maven hype (I thought such thing would never happen to me :-)), so now we have a common (though crappy) platform for integration of the code from different projects up and down stream. I remember how much pain it was to create Maven artifacts out of Ant Cayenne in the past.
Is it that important? Surely we want to be able to make clear decisions about when we want to import a new version of a jar into Cayenne. We import that file, test appropriately, then commit when ready. As for downstream - do we care that much? I'd be surprised if many people were relying on these artifacts. Anyway, there may be ways to do this from ant now:
http://maven.apache.org/ant-tasks.html
* Maven popularity leaves some (if not much) hope that it will be fixed someday. (OT: believe it or not, even WebObjects developers are considering Maven these days!!!)
Maybe maven will improve. Or maybe its problems are so structural that it will just be tweaked around the edges and more features added to it. Maybe the problem is that (like ant) it is trying to use XML as a programming/scripting language and failing. But unlike ant, you end up with an XML file nested 25 levels deep and quite incomprehensible. I've never understood why the build script is a good place to keep the timezone in which each developer lives.
* The project structure indeed became more organized than it was before.
Maybe, but that can be done with ant as well.
* As the number of modules grows, the ability to build them one-by- one becomes more important. You can do it with Maven, we couldn't do it with the old Ant based system.
But it is possible. Different ant build.xml files or different targets within one file.
If ant was to be used again, I'd be happy to donate any parts of our ant scripts (to do things like build .dmg, integrate subversion build numbers into the manifest, etc) which we use here internally. Some parts might be useful.
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