Re: DataViews - Proposal - move to sourceforge!

[Craig L Russell]

If the reason people want to fork is the license, there's not much that Apache can do. Projects built at Apache are released with the Apache license.

Craig

On Nov 3, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:

But if the reason is to build a community and there is too high a barrier in established Apache projects for committers to become productive, this can be solved easily enough. Find the folks who are interested and bring them into the incubator along with the dataviews code. They can become committers immediately and start working on the code in the incubator. When the project is ready for graduation, those people who have contributed positively will be easy to identify, and presumably they will have earned commit privileges in the project they graduate to.

Actually we had a similar discussion some time ago, and also related to DataViews. Forking and relicensing is an easy option:

http://objectstyle.org/cayenne/lists/cayenne-devel/ 2007/04/0035.html

Andrus


On Nov 3, 2007, at 7:23 PM, Mike Kienenberger wrote:

Whoever wants to work on a fork, I suggest you contact Adrian Wiesmann (who is likely reading this list). I think he already did a fork and placed it on SourceForge (?) I disagree that Apache license as such is unfriendly to GUI projects (at least I haven't heard any reasonable argument to back that idea), but the fact that most existing libraries converged around (L)GPL could definitely play its role as a high barrier to entry. Although there are notable exceptions - JGoodies uses BSD license. Finally I have no idea why people are so afraid to contribute to Apache. There are no barriers, except for the ones that any established project would have, namely that the people involved in the project value their reputation built over the years, and therefore require new contributors to go through the karma building process, before giving them write access. I think that's very reasonable.

There's nothing stopping you from forking a branch of DataViews.

However, you cannot change the license to LGPL.

On 11/3/07, Demetrios Kyriakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,


users can contribute much easier.




or tools are LGPL.

Any other ideas on what could be done to re-invigorate DataViews?

Thank you,

Demetrios.
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Since the Cayenne team is not very interested in DataViews, but many users are, the most simple solution to me looks to move DataViews to a place where Because of it's "patch" based contribution restriction, and especially of the long list of incompatible "licenses", I'm not sure if Apache.org is the best place to get help from users with as few as possible "barriers". Also an important step would be to switch the license from Apache to LGPL. It seems that the Apache license is not too GUI friendly: just looks how few projects on Apache.org have GUI's and how many good GUI oriented libraries View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/DataViews--- Proposal---move-to-sourceforge%21-tf4743504.html#a13564433

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Craig Russell
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