Yeah, I wasn't making an excuse, just sharing my perception of reality :-)

Andrus

On Oct 9, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Michael Gentry wrote:

I'm quite OK with incremental changes.  I was just pointing out that
when you look at that one class (which is pretty core) it is a bit of
a head-scratcher.  No worries, though.  And no one expects you to be
Howard.  One of Cayenne's strengths is the stability it has had.

Thanks,

mrg


On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Andrus Adamchik <[email protected] > wrote:

On Oct 8, 2009, at 10:40 PM, Michael Gentry wrote:

It just seems like it is caught in 3 different lands: pre-generics,
generics, and POJO.

That's one of my biggest headaches. You'd be experimenting with new things, going through trial and error cycles, learning, gathering feedback, and then somewhere along that way your unfinished designs become public API and you can't change it anymore. This is why JPA was so attractive at first - it has a very thin layer of public API, and 85% of the framework is private. And this is why I brought up dependency injection (and implicitly, coding to
interfaces) as a prospective future direction.

Hmmm... sometimes I feel like attacking that the Tapestry (or Log4J/ SLF4J) way - rewriting things from scratch to have a fresh and fully consistent framework. But then I realize that I won't be able to spend the next 2-3 years of my life to create something that is already available and works,
and lose the entire community in the process.

Alas, we are stuck in the imperfect world, and will have to make incremental
changes :-/

Andrus


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