Thank you very much.We should start a new topic to discuss how to update
the kernel and maintain the various branches.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2026 at 11:01 PM Kirill Reshke <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On Tue, 3 Mar 2026, 08:38 Zhang Mingli, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Frankly, I'm a bit surprised this is even being debated. In all my years
> > working on database kernel development (Greenplum/GPDB), we never once
> > considered merging minor upstream releases into the main development
> > branch. This was a well-understood discipline — and for good reason.
> >
> > The main branch should always be moving toward the next major kernel
> > target (PG16), not absorbing lateral patches from the current stable
> line.
> > PG 14.4 → 14.20 commits are version-specific backports — they belong in
> > REL_2_STABLE, which is the branch that actually ships PG14 to users.
> >
> > Merging ~1352 PG14-specific commits into main is asking for trouble.
> Every
> > single one becomes a potential merge conflict when we cherry-pick
> > Cloudberry features into the PG16 branch. And all these fixes already
> exist
> > in PG16 in their proper form — so this work would be entirely redundant
> > once the kernel upgrade lands.
> >
> > +1 to Jinbao's position:
> >
> > PG 14.4 → 14.20 → REL_2_STABLE directly
> > CVE-only fixes → main (already mostly done)
> > Keep main clean for PG16 upgrade
> >
>
>
> Ok
>
>
> This is how Greenplum always handled it, and it's how PostgreSQL itself
> > manages its branches — fixes flow from master to stable, not the other
> way
> > around. Let's not create unnecessary pain for the people doing the kernel
> > upgrade.
> >
> >
> > On 2026/03/03 02:30:37 Jinbao Chen wrote:
> > > The discussion above still seems to suggest that version 14.20 should
> be
> > > merged into the main branch, which I completely don't understand.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026 at 8:03 AM Leonid Borchuk <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 for
> > > > + absorbing PostgreSQL 14.4 → 14.20 (and future PG14 updates) into
> the
> > > > current `main` branch
> > > > + do not freeze main branch
> > > >
> > > > We could decide how to simplify rebasing PG16 work later. Most
> likely,
> > it
> > > > will be enough to figure out how to exclude absorbing from PG14
> > commits.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026 at 3:14 PM Kirill Reshke <
> [email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 at 15:47, Dianjin Wang <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think we need to make a final decision on this; otherwise our
> > work
> > > > > > will be blocked.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My +1 vote is to absorb PostgreSQL 14.4 → 14.20 (and future PG14
> > > > > > updates) into the current `main` branch first, and then
> cherry-pick
> > > > > > the changes from `main` into `REL_2_STABLE`.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess the only major issue here is how pg14-16 rebase would deal
> > > > > with that. After 16 pg kernel upgrade work, we should cherry-pick
> all
> > > > > commits from main to cbdb-postgres-merge branch. Well, I guess we
> can
> > > > > just not do that for 14.4-14.20 commits... Looking for Jinbao Chen
> > > > > comment here
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > We should not freeze the PG version that main is based on. If
> main
> > > > > > cannot continuously track upstream improvements, we lose one of
> the
> > > > > > key advantages of being a PostgreSQL downstream project. In other
> > > > > > words, `main` should remain the `upstream` for `REL_x_STABLE`,
> not
> > the
> > > > > > other way around.
> > > > >
> > > > > +1 on that
> > > > >
> > > > > > Looking forward to more voices.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > Dianjin Wang
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Kirill Reshke
> > > > >
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> On Tue, 3 Mar 2026, 08:38 Zhang Mingli, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Frankly, I'm a bit surprised this is even being debated. In all my years
> > working on database kernel development (Greenplum/GPDB), we never once
> > considered merging minor upstream releases into the main development
> > branch. This was a well-understood discipline — and for good reason.
> >
> > The main branch should always be moving toward the next major kernel
> > target (PG16), not absorbing lateral patches from the current stable
> line.
> > PG 14.4 → 14.20 commits are version-specific backports — they belong in
> > REL_2_STABLE, which is the branch that actually ships PG14 to users.
> >
> > Merging ~1352 PG14-specific commits into main is asking for trouble.
> Every
> > single one becomes a potential merge conflict when we cherry-pick
> > Cloudberry features into the PG16 branch. And all these fixes already
> exist
> > in PG16 in their proper form — so this work would be entirely redundant
> > once the kernel upgrade lands.
> >
> > +1 to Jinbao's position:
> >
> > PG 14.4 → 14.20 → REL_2_STABLE directly
> > CVE-only fixes → main (already mostly done)
> > Keep main clean for PG16 upgrade
> >
> > This is how Greenplum always handled it, and it's how PostgreSQL itself
> > manages its branches — fixes flow from master to stable, not the other
> way
> > around. Let's not create unnecessary pain for the people doing the kernel
> > upgrade.
> >
> >
> > On 2026/03/03 02:30:37 Jinbao Chen wrote:
> > > The discussion above still seems to suggest that version 14.20 should
> be
> > > merged into the main branch, which I completely don't understand.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026 at 8:03 AM Leonid Borchuk <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 for
> > > > + absorbing PostgreSQL 14.4 → 14.20 (and future PG14 updates) into
> the
> > > > current `main` branch
> > > > + do not freeze main branch
> > > >
> > > > We could decide how to simplify rebasing PG16 work later. Most
> likely,
> > it
> > > > will be enough to figure out how to exclude absorbing from PG14
> > commits.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026 at 3:14 PM Kirill Reshke <
> [email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 at 15:47, Dianjin Wang <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think we need to make a final decision on this; otherwise our
> > work
> > > > > > will be blocked.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My +1 vote is to absorb PostgreSQL 14.4 → 14.20 (and future PG14
> > > > > > updates) into the current `main` branch first, and then
> cherry-pick
> > > > > > the changes from `main` into `REL_2_STABLE`.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess the only major issue here is how pg14-16 rebase would deal
> > > > > with that. After 16 pg kernel upgrade work, we should cherry-pick
> all
> > > > > commits from main to cbdb-postgres-merge branch. Well, I guess we
> can
> > > > > just not do that for 14.4-14.20 commits... Looking for Jinbao Chen
> > > > > comment here
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > We should not freeze the PG version that main is based on. If
> main
> > > > > > cannot continuously track upstream improvements, we lose one of
> the
> > > > > > key advantages of being a PostgreSQL downstream project. In other
> > > > > > words, `main` should remain the `upstream` for `REL_x_STABLE`,
> not
> > the
> > > > > > other way around.
> > > > >
> > > > > +1 on that
> > > > >
> > > > > > Looking forward to more voices.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > Dianjin Wang
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Kirill Reshke
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> On Tue, 3 Mar 2026, 08:38 Zhang Mingli, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Frankly, I'm a bit surprised this is even being debated. In all my years
> > working on database kernel development (Greenplum/GPDB), we never once
> > considered merging minor upstream releases into the main development
> > branch. This was a well-understood discipline — and for good reason.
> >
> > The main branch should always be moving toward the next major kernel
> > target (PG16), not absorbing lateral patches from the current stable
> line.
> > PG 14.4 → 14.20 commits are version-specific backports — they belong in
> > REL_2_STABLE, which is the branch that actually ships PG14 to users.
> >
> > Merging ~1352 PG14-specific commits into main is asking for trouble.
> Every
> > single one becomes a potential merge conflict when we cherry-pick
> > Cloudberry features into the PG16 branch. And all these fixes already
> exist
> > in PG16 in their proper form — so this work would be entirely redundant
> > once the kernel upgrade lands.
> >
> > +1 to Jinbao's position:
> >
> > PG 14.4 → 14.20 → REL_2_STABLE directly
> > CVE-only fixes → main (already mostly done)
> > Keep main clean for PG16 upgrade
> >
> > This is how Greenplum always handled it, and it's how PostgreSQL itself
> > manages its branches — fixes flow from master to stable, not the other
> way
> > around. Let's not create unnecessary pain for the people doing the kernel
> > upgrade.
> >
> >
> > On 2026/03/03 02:30:37 Jinbao Chen wrote:
> > > The discussion above still seems to suggest that version 14.20 should
> be
> > > merged into the main branch, which I completely don't understand.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026 at 8:03 AM Leonid Borchuk <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 for
> > > > + absorbing PostgreSQL 14.4 → 14.20 (and future PG14 updates) into
> the
> > > > current `main` branch
> > > > + do not freeze main branch
> > > >
> > > > We could decide how to simplify rebasing PG16 work later. Most
> likely,
> > it
> > > > will be enough to figure out how to exclude absorbing from PG14
> > commits.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026 at 3:14 PM Kirill Reshke <
> [email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 at 15:47, Dianjin Wang <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think we need to make a final decision on this; otherwise our
> > work
> > > > > > will be blocked.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My +1 vote is to absorb PostgreSQL 14.4 → 14.20 (and future PG14
> > > > > > updates) into the current `main` branch first, and then
> cherry-pick
> > > > > > the changes from `main` into `REL_2_STABLE`.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess the only major issue here is how pg14-16 rebase would deal
> > > > > with that. After 16 pg kernel upgrade work, we should cherry-pick
> all
> > > > > commits from main to cbdb-postgres-merge branch. Well, I guess we
> can
> > > > > just not do that for 14.4-14.20 commits... Looking for Jinbao Chen
> > > > > comment here
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > We should not freeze the PG version that main is based on. If
> main
> > > > > > cannot continuously track upstream improvements, we lose one of
> the
> > > > > > key advantages of being a PostgreSQL downstream project. In other
> > > > > > words, `main` should remain the `upstream` for `REL_x_STABLE`,
> not
> > the
> > > > > > other way around.
> > > > >
> > > > > +1 on that
> > > > >
> > > > > > Looking forward to more voices.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > Dianjin Wang
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Kirill Reshke
> > > > >
> > > > >
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