Hi Ed, Thanks for starting this discussion.
One correction to the team page first. Three people listed under HashData have left the company. I confirmed their current affiliations with them and opened a PR to update the page: https://github.com/apache/cloudberry-site/pull/420 Reviews and approvals are welcome, so we can get the page updated. With that PR applied, the PPMC (25 members, mentors included) looks like this: Organization PPMC members Share HashData 5 20% Yandex Cloud 4 16% Synx Data Labs 4 16% Individual 4 16% Other (6 orgs) 8 32% "Other" covers EDB, ByteDance, Microsoft, Ainekko, HighGo and Zilliz. Counting all 35 committers, HashData has 9 (about 26%) and Yandex Cloud has 6 (about 17%). So HashData is still the largest single group, but by a small margin, and no organization is close to a majority. The community is much more diverse than when we entered the Incubator. The roster is only part of the picture. When we form the PMC for graduation, its makeup will likely differ from today's PPMC. As usual, we would confirm with each PPMC member whether they want to continue, and the list should reflect participation during incubation, in code and in community work alike. That is a natural step, and a topic for a later thread. To make the discussion more concrete, could we write up our self-assessment against the Apache Project Maturity Model as a checklist, with evidence links for each item, and publish it on the wiki or the website? Then everyone can check it item by item. Apache Iggy has a good example: https://iggy.apache.org/community/graduation-checklist/ My own view: we are close, and the checklist will show what is left. Best, Dianjin Wang On Wed, Nov 11, 2026 at 9:35 AM Ed Espino via dev <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > Apache Cloudberry (Incubating) files a short quarterly report with the > Incubator. That report goes to the ASF Board. The November one is filed. It > says a graduation discussion would start. This thread is that start, on dev@ > only. > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/November2026 > > The report named general@incubator as well. The Incubator graduation guide > suggests telling general@incubator when a community vote starts, and asks > that the vote itself not be copied there. So a note to general@incubator > comes later, if and when we start a community vote. It will point to this > thread. It will not carry the vote. > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html > > The November report lists two unfinished items before graduating: grow the > contributor community, and publish a few more Apache releases. > > I ran the Incubator graduation self-assessment on 9 November 2026. It > compares those unfinished items to our releases and our roster. It assesses > the project as near ready. It does not say we are ready. The release item > is met. The community item is partly addressed, which is why this thread > asks whether any one company is still vital to the project. > https://github.com/apache/incubator/blob/master/tools/skills/graduation-self-assessment/skills/graduation-self-assessment/SKILL.md > > Here is what is behind each item, releases first. > > We have shipped 2.0.0, 2.1.0, and 2.2.0. The vote calls for the candidates > that passed were: > > 14 August 2025, Ed Espino, 2.0.0-rc3 > 26 March 2026, Dianjin Wang, 2.1.0-rc2 > 20 October 2026, Leonid Borchuk, 2.2.0-rc3 > > 2.2.0 was announced on 6 November 2026. > https://cloudberry.apache.org/blog/announce-apache-cloudberry-2.2.0 > > For the community item, the guide asks for a project that is not highly > dependent on any single contributor, with at least three legally > independent committers and no single company or entity that is vital to the > success of the project. > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#creating_an_open_and_diverse_community > > I checked our team page on 10 November 2026. It lists people at more than > one organization. On that page I am at Synx Data Labs, Dianjin is at > HashData, and Leonid is at Yandex Cloud, so those three vote calls came > from three organizations. Leonid also joined the PPMC during incubation. > The status page announces him as a new PPMC member on 7 April 2026. > https://cloudberry.apache.org/team/ > https://incubator.apache.org/projects/cloudberry.html > > From that, I do not think a release depends on one company. That does not > settle whether any one company is vital to the project. HashData is still > the largest group on the team page. In the end that is the Incubator's > opinion to form, and I would like us to look at it here first. Is any one > company still vital to the project? If I have read the releases wrong, > please say that too. > > So I am asking everyone here, committer or not: > > Are we ready to graduate? > Is a top-level project the right destination? > What is still missing? > > Nothing is decided by this mail. I will leave this thread open long enough > for people outside any one organization to reply. > > -=e > -- > Ed Espino > Apache Cloudberry (Incubating) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
