Edison, The CAP theorem applies to all distributed systems. One “master” controlling a bunch of a hypervisors being directed by orchestration engine + Zookeeper is a distributed system. In this case, a consistent system. In my very brief reading of it, CloudStack would need multiple Mesos masters to provide availability in event of zone or pod failures. It would run into the same issue explicit locking issues I previously described — ensuring the underlying Zookeeper infrastructure can maintain quorum in the face of a zone and/or pod failures. While it is possible to achieve, it would greatly increase the complexity of CloudStack deployments.
Thanks, -John On Nov 25, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Edison Su <edison...@citrix.com> wrote: > Won't the architecture used by Mesos/Omega solve the resource > management/locking issue: > http://mesos.apache.org/documentation/latest/mesos-architecture/ > http://eurosys2013.tudos.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/paper/Schwarzkopf.pdf > Basically, one server holds all the resource information in memory > (cpu/memory/disk/ip address etc) about the whole data center, all the > hypervisor hosts or any other resource entities are connecting to this server > to report/update its own resource. As there is only one master server, CAP > theorem is invalid. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Darren Shepherd [mailto:darren.s.sheph...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 9:17 AM >> To: John Burwell >> Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> Subject: Re: Resource Management/Locking [was: Re: What would be your >> ideal solution?] >> >> You bring up some interesting points. I really need to digest this further. >> From a high level I think I agree, but there are a lot of implied details of >> what >> you've said. >> >> Darren >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:39 AM, John Burwell <jburw...@basho.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Darren, >>> >>> I originally presented my thoughts on this subject at CCC13 [1]. >>> Fundamentally, I see CloudStack as having two distinct tiers - >>> orchestration management and automation control. The orchestration >>> tier coordinates the automation control layer to fulfill user goals >>> (e.g. create a VM instance, alter a network route, snapshot a volume, >>> etc) constrained by policies defined by the operator (e.g. >>> multi-tenacy boundaries, ACLs, quotas, etc). This layer must always >>> be available to take new requests, and to report the best available >>> infrastructure state information. Since execution of work is >>> guaranteed on completion of a request, this layer may pend work to be >> completed when the appropriate devices become available. >>> >>> The automation control tier translates logical units of work to >>> underlying infrastructure component APIs. Upon completion of unit of >>> work's execution, the state of a device (e.g. hypervisor, storage >>> device, network switch, router, etc) matches the state managed by the >>> orchestration tier at the time unit of work was created. In order to >>> ensure that the state of the underlying devices remains consistent, >>> these units of work must be executed serially. Permitting concurrent >> changes to resources creates race >>> conditions that lead to resource overcommitment and state divergence. A >>> symptom of this phenomenon are the myriad of scripts operators write >>> to "synchronize" state between the CloudStack database and their >> hypervisors. >>> Another is the example provided below is the rapid create-destroy >>> which can (and often does) leave dangling resources due to race >>> conditions between the two operations. >>> >>> In order to provide reliability, CloudStack vertically partitions the >>> infrastructure into zones (independent power source/network uplink >>> combination) sub-divided into pods (racks). At this time, regions are >>> largely notional, as such, as are not partitions at this time. >>> Between the user's zone selection and our allocators distribution of >>> resources across pods, the system attempts to distribute resources >>> widely as possible across these partitions to provide resilience >>> against a variety infrastructure failures (e.g. power loss, network >>> uplink disruption, switch failures, etc). In order maximize this >>> resilience, the control plane (orchestration >>> + automation tiers) must be to operate on all available partitions. >>> + For >>> example, if we have two (2) zones (A & B) and twenty (20) pods per >>> zone, we should be able to take and execute work in Zone A when one or >>> more pods is lost, as well as, when taking and executing work in Zone >>> B when Zone B has failed. >>> >>> CloudStack is an eventually consistent system in that the state >>> reflected in the orchestration tier will (optimistically) differ from >>> the state of the underlying infrastructure (managed by the automation >> tier). >>> Furthermore, the system has a partitioning model to provide >>> resilience in the face of a variety of logical and physical failures. >>> However, the automation control tier requires strictly consistent >>> operations. Based on these definitions, the system appears to violate >>> the CAP theorem [2] (Brewer!). The separation of the system into two >>> distinct tiers isolates these characteristics, but the boundary >>> between them must be carefully implemented to ensure that the >>> consistency requirements of the automation tier are not leaked to the >> orchestration tier. >>> >>> To properly implement this boundary, I think we should split the >>> orchestration and automation control tiers into separate physical >>> processes communicating via an RPC mechanism - allowing the >> automation >>> control tier to completely encapsulate its work distribution model. >>> In my mind, the tricky wicket is providing serialization and partition >>> tolerance in the automation control tier. Realistically, there two >>> options - explicit and implicit locking models. Explicit locking >>> models employ an external coordination mechanism to coordinate >> exclusive access to resources (e.g. >>> RDBMS lock pattern, ZooKeeper, Hazelcast, etc). The challenge with >>> this model is ensuring the availability of the locking mechanism in >>> the face of partition - forcing CloudStack operators to ensure that >>> they have deployed the underlying mechanism in a partition tolerant >>> manner (e.g. don't locate all of the replicas in the same pod, deploy a >> cluster per zone, etc). >>> Additionally, the durability introduced by these mechanisms inhibits >>> the self-healing due to lock staleness. >>> >>> In contrast, an implicit lock model structures the runtime execution >>> model to provide exclusive access to a resource and model the >>> partitioning scheme. One such model is to provide a single work queue >>> (mailbox) and consuming process (actor) per resource. The >>> orchestration tier provides a description of the partition and >>> resource definitions to the automation control tier. The automation >>> control tier creates a supervisor per partition which in turn manage >>> process creation per resource. Therefore, process creation and >>> destruction creates an implicit lock. Since automation control tier >>> does not persist data in this model, The crash of a supervisor and/or >>> process (supervisors are simply specialized processes) releases the >>> implicit lock, and signals a re-execution of the supervisor/process >>> allocation process. The following high-level process describes >>> creation allocation (hand waves certain details such as back pressure and >> throttling): >>> >>> >>> 1. The automation control layer receives a resource definition (e.g. >>> zone description, VM definition, volume information, etc). These >> requests >>> are processed by the owning partition supervisor exclusively in order of >>> receipt. Therefore, the automation control tier views the world as a tree >>> of partitions and resources. >>> 2. The partition supervisor creates the process (and the associated >>> mailbox) - providing it with the initial state. The process state is >>> Initialized. >>> 3. The process synchronizes the state of the underlying resource with >>> the state provided. Upon successful completion of state synchronization, >>> the state of the process becomes Ready. Only Ready processes can >> consume >>> units of work from their mailboxes. The processes crashes. All state >>> transitions and crashes are reported to interested parties through an >>> asynchronous event reporting mechanism including the id of the unit of >> work >>> the device represents. >>> >>> >>> The Ready state means that the underlying device is in a useable state >>> consistent with the last unit of work executed. A process crashes >>> when it is unable to bring the device into a state consistent with the >>> unit of work being executed (a process crash also destroys the >>> associated mailbox - flushing pending work). This event initiates >>> execution of allocation process (above) until the process can be >>> re-allocated in a Ready state (again throttling is hand waved for the >>> purposes of brevity). The state synchronization step converges the >>> actual state of the device with changes that occurred during >>> unavailability. When a unit of work fails to be executed, the >>> orchestration tier determines the appropriate recovery strategy (e.g. >>> re-allocate work to another resource, wait for the availability of the >> resource, fail the operation, etc). >>> >>> The association of one process per resource provides exclusive access >>> to the resource without the requirement of an external locking >>> mechanism. A mailbox per process provides orders pending units of >>> work. Together, they provide serialization of operation execution. >>> In the example provided, a unit of work would be submitted to create a >>> VM and a second unit of work would be submitted to destroy it. The >>> creation would be completely executed followed by the destruction >>> (assuming no failures). Therefore, the VM will briefly exist before >>> being destroyed. In conduction with a process location mechanism, the >>> system can place the processes associated with resources in the >>> appropriate partition allowing the system properly self heal, manage >>> its own scalability (thinking lightweight system VMs), and >>> systematically enforce partition tolerance (the operator was nice >>> enough to describe their infrastructure - we should use it to ensure >> resilience of CloudStack and their infrastructure). >>> >>> Until relatively recently, the implicit locking model described was >>> infeasible on the JVM. Using native Java threads, a server would be >>> limited to controlling (at best) a few hundred resources. However, >>> lightweight threading models implemented by libraries/frameworks such >>> as Akka [3], Quasar [4], and Erjang [5] can scale to millions of >>> "threads" on reasonability sized servers and provide the >>> supervisor/actor/mailbox abstractions described above. Most >>> importantly, this approach does not require operators to become >>> operationally knowledgeable of yet another platform/component. In >>> short, I believe we can encapsulate these requirements in the >>> management server (orchestration + automation control >>> tiers) - keeping the operational footprint of the system proportional >>> to the deployment without sacrificing resilience. Finally, it >>> provides the foundation for proper collection of instrumentation >>> information and process control/monitoring across data centers. >>> >>> Admittedly, I have hand waved some significant issues that would beed >>> to be resolved. I believe they are all resolvable, but it would take >>> discussion to determine the best approach to them. Transforming >>> CloudStack to such a model would not be trivial, but I believe it >>> would be worth the >>> (significant) effort as it would make CloudStack one of the most >>> scalable and resilient cloud orchestration/management platforms available. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> -John >>> >>> [1]: >>> http://www.slideshare.net/JohnBurwell1/how-to-run-from-a-zombie- >> cloud- >>> stack-distributed-process-management >>> [2]: http://lpd.epfl.ch/sgilbert/pubs/BrewersConjecture-SigAct.pdf >>> [3]: http://akka.io >>> [4]: https://github.com/puniverse/quasar >>> [5]: https://github.com/trifork/erjang/wiki >>> >>> P.S. I have CC'ed the developer mailing list. All conversations at >>> this level of detail should be initiated and occur on the mailing list >>> to ensure transparency with the community. >>> >>> On Nov 22, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Darren Shepherd >>> <darren.s.sheph...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> 140 characters are not productive. >>> >>> What would be your idea way to do distributed concurrency control? >>> Simple use case. Server 1 receives a request to start a VM 1. Server >>> 2 receives a request to delete VM 1. What do you do? >>> >>> Darren
