Right to the bone Nicolas... i.e. exactly my thinking. On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 19:48, Nicolas Vazquez <nicolas.vazq...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> Hi all, > > My 2 cents: I fully agree on promoting the mailing lists as the main > communication channel. However, I think it will be good to drop IRC and > promote the current Slack channel as it is active and with a considerable > amount of users (+150 members vs ~30 in the IRC channels). Personally, I > have joined the Slack channel a few years ago and have seen new users > joining the channel and asking questions. My point is, if we already have > this channel working good without "official" promotion, then why not use it > as the official 'chat' channel? > > > Regards, > > Nicolas Vazquez > > ________________________________ > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher <gabrasc...@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 3:21 PM > To: users <us...@cloudstack.apache.org> > Cc: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > I am +1 on opening the VOTE for removal of IRC references. > > Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 14:33, Andrija Panic <andrija.pa...@gmail.com > > > escreveu: > > > I'm inline with that Paul - let's then remove the IRC being mentioned on > > main website and any future events. Makes sense? > > > > We can keep Slack as it is now, and then definitely (in my opinion) NOT > > move to ASF Slack, since as someone mentioned it's a pain to move all > > users. > > > > Does this sounds good to majority here? > > > > If so, I would cast a vote thread for removal of IRC from any public > > pages/website/future events marketing. > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 17:45 Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote: > > > > > I don't think that we should be 'marketing' anything other than the > > > mailing lists. That is where most people can be found and where > > > previously asked questions can be searched for. > > > Having a ready to roll 'chat' tool has many advantages, so I'm cool > with > > > having one in the back pocket. > > > But personally I'd like to see as little fragmentation of the community > > as > > > possible. > > > > > > + a new visitor turning up to a slack channel with 4 people on it is > not > > > going to give a positive impression, and that person is definitely is > far > > > less likely to get an answer to any question that they have. > > > > > > Paul. > > > > > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > > > www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com> > > > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK > > > @shapeblue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher <gabrasc...@gmail.com> > > > Sent: 23 August 2019 14:56 > > > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org> > > > Cc: Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > > > > > Hello folks, > > > > > > I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay as the > > > default communication tool indeed, but several times I used Slack when > > > helping foes around, raising questions, and pinging folks on private > > chat. > > > As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community I see > no > > > problem with keeping them around. > > > > > > However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is regarding the > > > "marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing to > > > irc.freenode.net), but CloudStack IRC channels look pretty dead, > > > especially considering that it is the "official" ACS chat tool. > > > > > > Does promoting all channels (IRC + Slack) look a good idea? Should we > > keep > > > only one option? In one hand, IRC currently is not as active as Slack, > > but > > > on the other hand, Slack requires an invitation e-mail. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Gabriel. > > > > > > > > > > > > Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 08:45, Rohit Yadav < > > rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com > > > > > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > All, > > > > > > > > I think email is the more persistent form of communication and it > must > > > > continue to be the default communication mechanism for the project > > > > dev+user+etc. > > > > > > > > For a more real-time/transient communication, IRC or slack are good > > > tools. > > > > I don't have any preference on either, as I'm not an active user on > > > > either of them. It just happened that someone asked me to join > the-asf > > > > slack for some other group, and I saw many projects having their > > > > channels there and I made a comment about it on our current > > > > apachecloudstack community slack which is outside of the-asf group. > > > > I've got both of them setup on my desktop slack now, if it's too > > > > difficult to migrate everyone from the old slack group to the-asf > > > > slack group, let's continue as is; or perhaps add an IRC-gateway > > between > > > the two. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rohit Yadav > > > > > > > > Software Architect, ShapeBlue > > > > > > > > https://www.shapeblue.com > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Sven Vogel <s.vo...@ewerk.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 01:01 > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <dev@cloudstack.apache.org> > > > > Cc: Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> > > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > > > > > > > Hey Guys, > > > > > > > > I don’t understand the problem. I don’t like slack too but I don’t > > > > like mailing list or neither. I think the first one is closed and > > > > slow. For me is an mailing list or irc also not the wisdom final > > > > conclusion but hey do we have a better one? No. > > > > > > > > If IRC is death drop it. 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Thank you. > > > > > Am 22.08.2019 um 20:28 schrieb Andrija Panic < > > andrija.pa...@gmail.com > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > My whole idea is that having one (IRC) marketed on web pages, while > > > > > using the other silently (Slack) makes less than zero sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > And, for me, a tool is a tool, I'm not married to it (some people > > > > > prefer > > > > vi > > > > > editor and have religious attachments to it, I just use nano to get > > > > > the > > > > job > > > > > done) > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 19:49 Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> I'm heavily against Slack or any other proprietary, closed > > solutions. > > > > >> > > > > >> I think it's a step back generally for the Internet at large and > > > > >> even more so for an open source project; I can't reconcile the two > > > > >> in my heart. > > > > >> > > > > >> Having said that, I believe the chat is dead not because it's IRC, > > > > >> but because people prefer async comms (ie email). It'll be the > same > > > > >> for Slack. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> We should be promoting the mailing lists. They are active and the > > > > >> archives are open to search engines etc and can further provide > > > > >> helpful information to everyone. > > > > >> > > > > >> I won't -1 the decision, I don't want to be in the way of > > > > >> "progress", but it's not a +1 either. I won't be using it. > > > > >> > > > > >> My 2p > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> --- > > > > >> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! > > > > >> > > > > >>> On 2019-08-22 16:57, Andrija Panic wrote: > > > > >>> Hi guys, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Since IRC is pretty dead, and we already have a Slack channel ( > > > > >>> https://apachecloudstack.slack.com ) that we use atm, AND since > > > > >>> there seems to be an official ASF slack channel at > > > > >>> https://the-asf.slack.com/, I would like to open a discussion of > > > > >>> the idea to "officially" move (i.e. > > > > >>> marketing > > > > >>> this on all event pages and main web site) to that new CloudStack > > > > >>> channel on the official ASF slack account/page - and abandon > > > > >>> (close for good) all others chat channels. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> i.e. on this year conference page > > > > >>> (http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/) we currently announce the IRC > > > > >>> channel (???) to be the one (and AFAIK it's pretty dead) - so I > > > > >>> would propose to move forward and update this, so the users can > be > > > > >>> aware of "alive" chat channel > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Suggestions, opinions ? > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Regards, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Andrija Panić > > > > >> > > > > > > > > rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com > > > > www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com> > > > > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nicolas.vazq...@shapeblue.com > www.shapeblue.com > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK > @shapeblue > > > > -- Andrija Panić
