Thx. This extra explanation on dywel added onto the understanding I already had (important nuances noted)
not trivial, maybe possible, useful?
Hmm, I'm a little unsure. Now, I don't want to destroy the design of woody only to make me happy. If it makes sense, to change woody: great. If it doesn't, well, then I can live with that as well. It's a decision I'm currently not able to make or contribute to.
I think, currently if Dywel will ever work sometime in the distant future, it's more elegant to connect to existing business objects than woody; but on the other hand woody has great advantage in all the other form areas where you don't connect to business objects.
I agree.
That all of this largely resembles each other (Bruno saying I reinvented xmlforms adds to that) should be no big surprise since all of it tries to solve the same set of problems...
The resemblence is a great way IMO to realize none of us is completely on the wrong track, but it can't prevent the different alternatives to take specific differentiating positions that will make them more elegant to use in very specific situations.
Woody has everything in it to grow into a system that can handle your bean backends equally well as pure XML backends given the loose connection ideas to be found everywhere in the design...
There surely is the commitment (effort currently going on if you ask me) to ensure that specific broadly recognised usage models could get a simplified mapping onto the current Woody-soc...
but rest assured: none of that effort will ever ensure that in a given case there could not be a more specific implementation that will be able to cut some corners and provide a more elegant solution.
The above statement probably fits to a large extend to what Cocoon as a whole is providing. (and how it is sometimes perceived)
In any case, thx for your input, it already added some nice features into the woody-basket (and possibly touching woody returned you some of the favor).
I hope you can continue the effort of feeding us your progress on Dywel.
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