Joerg Heinicke skrev:
On 15.06.2007 09:32, Daniel Fagerstrom wrote:
And what some other people here seem to ignore is the increasing cost
for our community to stay behind the rest of the world.
And, BTW, what is your take on our Continuum problems?
Daniel, I don't think it makes any sense to discuss this anymore.
Joerg, it will make sense to discuss this issue each time your veto
creates an obstacle. And as Java 1.4 grows more and more irrelevant,
these discussions will be more and more frequent.
We
rate the costs of losing actual users and "stay behind the rest of the
world" differently.
To be more specific: you rate the cost differently from the rest of
those who voted.
Citing from http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html:
"To prevent vetos from being used capriciously, they must be accompanied
by a technical justification showing why the change is bad (opens a
security exposure, negatively affects performance, etc.). A veto without
a justification is invalid and has no weight."
As your motivation is of non-technical nature, it is clearly a border case.
As it is a question about rating different kinds of community costs,
each committers unique view add relevant information to the decision. I
find it rather arrogant to act if as your particular view is more worth
than all the rest of the committers views together.
Let's get 2.2 out of the door ...
Sure, and one of the obstacles right now is that we don't have any
continuous integration testing that makes sure that 2.2 works with Java
1.4. So I repeat my question: what is your take on our Continuum problems?
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But the most important reason for me to return to your veto is about
community health. This is the first time in the history of the
Cocoon-community that I'm aware of, that we have a unresolved veto,
where consensus gathering have failed.
One of the more important learnings from open source is that the
community is far smarter than the individual. While our community have
proved to be incredibly robust historically, that could change if we
leave core values of our community culture, and start to consider vetos
without consensus gathering as something that is OK.
/Daniel
