Oh that's a pretty decent advantage there actually.
On 29 November 2016 at 22:07, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That's pretty neat. So it looks like two competing styles of annotations
> > here would be separate annotations for each concern, a single annotation
> > with an enum, or even separate annotations with boolean values or enums
> > (though that gets a little more complex come to think of it).
> >
>
> The problem with solo annotations is that you can say nonsensical things
> like:
>
> @ThreadSafe
> @NotThreadSafe
> public class Foo {
> ...
> }
>
> You can't do that with:
>
> @Contract(threading = ThreadingBehavior.IMMUTABLE)
>
> Gary
>
>
> >
> > If only the JDK had an annotation for this.
> >
> > On 29 November 2016 at 20:41, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > And an example:
> > >
> > > /**
> > > * HTTP/2 compatible extension of {@link RequestConnControl}.
> > > *
> > > * @since 5.0
> > > */
> > > @Contract(threading = ThreadingBehavior.IMMUTABLE)
> > > public class H2RequestConnControl extends RequestConnControl {
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > FYI, this is how we're going to do it in HttpComponents 5:
> > > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpcomponents/
> > > > httpcore/trunk/httpcore5/src/main/java/org/apache/hc/core5/
> > > > annotation/ThreadingBehavior.java
> > > >
> > > > Gary
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Gary Gregory <
> garydgreg...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Benedikt Ritter <
> brit...@apache.org>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> I agree with Oliver. I don't think we have consensus about if and
> how
> > > we
> > > >>> want to implement this. Does it even make sense to try to document
> > > this?
> > > >>> What value does such a documentation have, when it is wrong 50% of
> > the
> > > >>> time? I just sumed up the feedback I got from one (!) user at the
> > > >>> conference. I think this needs more thought. This is why I
> suggested
> > to
> > > >>> create a PR instead of committing this directly to master.
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> This is a good discussion. Let's keep in mind the audience for these
> > new
> > > >> annotations:
> > > >>
> > > >> - Commons Lang
> > > >> - All of Commons
> > > >> - Any Java code.
> > > >>
> > > >> Just because we may not get to document thread safety properly in
> > > Commons
> > > >> Lang does not mean that any other developers will fail similarly.
> > > >>
> > > >> My goal is not to decorate all of Commons Lang with these new
> > > annotations
> > > >> and certainly not to take on the task of documenting all of Commons
> > ;-)
> > > >>
> > > >> I look at these annotations as a tool, a Commons way of using
> > > annotations
> > > >> where some folks best see fit.
> > > >>
> > > >> Providing these annotations is one thing, using them another ;-)
> > > >>
> > > >> Gary
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Regards.
> > > >>> Benedikt
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> schrieb am Di. 29. Nov. 2016
> > um
> > > >>> 22:33:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Oliver Heger <
> > > >>> > oliver.he...@oliver-heger.de>
> > > >>> > wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > Am 28.11.2016 um 22:28 schrieb Gary Gregory:
> > > >>> > > > WRT licensing, I re-implemented the annotations in git
> master.
> > > >>> Notice
> > > >>> > > that
> > > >>> > > > all Javadocs are different and much simpler for now. Feel
> free
> > to
> > > >>> write
> > > >>> > > > more.
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > As the length of this thread shows, using annotations for the
> > > >>> purpose of
> > > >>> > > documenting thread-safety can be a controversial topic.
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > How is the length of a thread a reflection of its controversy?
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > > I do not see the advantage over a plain text documentation in
> > > >>> Javadoc.
> > > >>> > > Written text can even be more comprehensive.
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > One does not exclude the other. Annotations are easy to search.
> > Text
> > > in
> > > >>> > Javadoc is subject to typos and formatting oddities that makes it
> > > much
> > > >>> > harder to search.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Tools can work with annotations.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > The risk that the documentation goes out of sync with the
> > > >>> implementation
> > > >>> > > is given in both scenarios. But if a class announced as
> > thread-safe
> > > >>> is
> > > >>> > > manipulated in a way that it is no longer thread-safe, I would
> > > >>> consider
> > > >>> > > this as a bug. This is also a kind of backwards-incompatible
> > > change.
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > That has nothing to do with annotations. If we change behavior in
> > > some
> > > >>> > incompatible way, that's the bug.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > I can interpret what you wrote as: If I remove an @Override
> > > annotation,
> > > >>> > then that is backwards-incompatible change. That sounds extreme.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > I do not think we have talked about annotations in the context of
> > > >>> backwards
> > > >>> > compatibility. Does this deserve a separate discussion?
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > a third penny,
> > > >>> > Gary
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > My 2 cents
> > > >>> > > Oliver
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > Gary
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Gary Gregory <
> > > >>> garydgreg...@gmail.com
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > > wrote:
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > >> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Matt Benson <
> > > >>> gudnabr...@gmail.com>
> > > >>> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>> > > >>
> > > >>> > > >>> I hoped to stay out of this. :) Points:
> > > >>> > > >>>
> > > >>> > > >>> * "provided" scope is another Maven mechanism that compiles
> > > >>> against a
> > > >>> > > >>> given dependency but does not pull the dependency in as a
> > > runtime
> > > >>> > > >>> dependency. I personally prefer it to marking a dependency
> > > >>> optional.
> > > >>> > > >>> * For annotations with only classfile retention, a future
> > > package
> > > >>> > > >>> rename e.g. lang4 would not require a consumer to upgrade
> > just
> > > >>> for
> > > >>> > the
> > > >>> > > >>> renamed annotation, though nothing would stop them from
> doing
> > > >>> so. A
> > > >>> > > >>> given project could depend on either or both of lang3 and
> > lang4
> > > >>> in
> > > >>> > any
> > > >>> > > >>> combination of compile-only or runtime-inclusive scope with
> > no
> > > >>> > > >>> problems.
> > > >>> > > >>> * A standalone annotations component might be interesting,
> > but
> > > >>> I'm
> > > >>> > not
> > > >>> > > >>> sure if the proposed annotations constitute a critical mass
> > > >>> adequate
> > > >>> > > >>> to justify it.
> > > >>> > > >>>
> > > >>> > > >>
> > > >>> > > >> I would have a hard time justifying a
> > commons-lang3-annotations
> > > >>> module
> > > >>> > > >> with only these 4 annotations.
> > > >>> > > >>
> > > >>> > > >> I could see having a Commons Annotations component though
> > which
> > > >>> for
> > > >>> > good
> > > >>> > > >> or bad would hold all annotations one could imagine having
> the
> > > >>> Commons
> > > >>> > > >> world. Hm... it smells a bit though...
> > > >>> > > >>
> > > >>> > > >> Gary
> > > >>> > > >>
> > > >>> > > >>
> > > >>> > > >>>
> > > >>> > > >>> Matt
> > > >>> > > >>>
> > > >>> > > >>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Pascal Schumacher
> > > >>> > > >>> <pascalschumac...@gmx.net> wrote:
> > > >>> > > >>>> Groovy had to change the license of its documentation from
> > > CC-A
> > > >>> 3.0
> > > >>> > to
> > > >>> > > >>> the
> > > >>> > > >>>> Apache License during incubation:
> > > >>> > > >>>>
> > > >>> > > >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-167
> > > >>> > > >>>> http://markmail.org/message/2e7tehlwtpx625q4
> > > >>> > > >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GROOVY-7470
> > > >>> > > >>>>
> > > >>> > > >>>> So I guess Commons is probably not allowed to use these
> > files.
> > > >>> > > >>>>
> > > >>> > > >>>>
> > > >>> > > >>>> Am 28.11.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Gary Gregory:
> > > >>> > > >>>>>
> > > >>> > > >>>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:15 AM, Jochen Wiedmann
> > > >>> > > >>>>> <jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com>
> > > >>> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>> > > >>>>>
> > > >>> > > >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 4:06 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com
> >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>> > > >>>>>>> The code would not run without the JCIP jar.
> > > >>> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>> > > >>>>>> Are there licensing issues regarding that jar?
> > > >>> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>> > > >>>>> Hm, according to https://www.apache.org/legal/
> > resolved.html,
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> > > >>> license
> > > >>> > > >>>>> "Creative Commons Attribution (CC-A) 2.5" is discussed in
> > the
> > > >>> > section
> > > >>> > > >>> "HOW
> > > >>> > > >>>>> SHOULD "WEAK COPYLEFT" LICENSES BE HANDLED?"
> > > >>> > > >>>>>
> > > >>> > > >>>>> It looks like we might have an issue but this is not
> clear
> > to
> > > >>> me as
> > > >>> > > >>> IANAL.
> > > >>> > > >>>>> I you look at the license summary
> > > >>> > > >>>>> https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/ it sure
> seems
> > > >>> OK, but
> > > >>> > > our
> > > >>> > > >>>>> resolved.html has this license on a list of licenses to
> > watch
> > > >>> out
> > > >>> > > for.
> > > >>> > > >>>>>
> > > >>> > > >>>>> So to be on the safe side, how do we best re-implement
> > these?
> > > >>> The
> > > >>> > > >>>>> annotation names we can keep as is but I would imagine
> that
> > > >>> we'd
> > > >>> > want
> > > >>> > > >>> to
> > > >>> > > >>>>> re-write the Javadoc from scratch.
> > > >>> > > >>>>>
> > > >>> > > >>>>> Thoughts?
> > > >>> > > >>>>>
> > > >>> > > >>>>> Gary
> > > >>> > > >>>>>
> > > >>> > > >>>>>
> > > >>> > > >>>>>> Jochen
> > > >>> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>> > > >>>>>> --
> > > >>> > > >>>>>> The next time you hear: "Don't reinvent the wheel!"
> > > >>> > > >>>>>>
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> > > >>> /10/
> > > >>> > > >>>>>> evolution-of-the-wheel-300x85.jpg
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> > Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
> >
>
>
>
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