> -----Original Message-----
> From: sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 11:39 AM
> To: Commons Developers List <dev@commons.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [VALIDATOR] Java 9 change to use CLDR formats cause API break - 
> what to do?
> 
> On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 15:22, Jason Pyeron <jpye...@pdinc.us> wrote:
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: sebb [mailto:seb...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 9:05 AM
> > > To: CommonsDev <dev@commons.apache.org>
> > > Subject: [VALIDATOR] Java 9 change to use CLDR formats cause API break - 
> > > what to do?
> > >
> > > Java 9 now uses Locale strings from the Unicode consortium by default.
> > >
> > > This has cause several of the Validator unit tests to fail. For example:
> > >
> > > validator.validate("31/Dez/05 21-05", "dd/MMM/yy HH-mm", Locale.GERMAN);
> > >
> > > no longer parses OK, because the short version of December is now
> > > "Dez." (with trailing fullstop)
> > >
> > > I have temporarily suppressed the errors by defining the following for 
> > > Java9+
> > >
> > > java.locale.providers=COMPAT,CLDR
> > >
> > > However this is not ideal.
> > >
> > > Whilst the tests could be updated to use the new formats, e.g. by
> > > generating the test data at run time, it is not clear that this is the
> > > correct approach, as it would hide changes in behaviour.
> >
> > No, the test should be duplicated and then modified.
> >
> > Legacy tests should have a conditional skip if Java >= 9
> >
> > New tests should have a conditional skip, only if needed, if Java < 9
> 
> I don't see how that is different from what I have done -- it will
> still hide the change in behaviour.
> 
> > >
> > > Ideally the code would continue to accept old style dates, but it's
> > > not at all clear how to do this.
> >
> > This is what I mean by "only if needed". Clearly the "intention" of Java 9 
> > is to change the
> defaults, but if a "legacy" configuration / compatibility mode is enabled 
> then ...
> 
> The test failures are caused by the change in Java 9 defaults, however
> the issue is what to do about the change in behaviour.
> 
> Date strings that were previously valid are no longer valid when using Java 9+
> The source data doesn't change when the Java version is updated.
> That does not seem right.
> 
> There are some other changes to do with how Java interprets strings such as
> -<cc>20.00
> and
> (<cc>20.00)
> 
> where <cc> is a currency such as £ (GBP) or $ (USD).
> 
> Again, I don't think it's right that these should pass validation with
> Java 8 and fail with Java 9 or vice-versa.
> 
> Also, Java 9 changes how SHORT etc. dates/times are treated.
> The changes are extensive.
> 
> I don't believe that Validator should only apply to output created by
> the same version of Java.
> 
> The question is how to ensure that Validator continues to support
> existing formats?

Java 9 is not backwards compatible here. To make Validator "behave" on Java 9+ 
as it did previously, should require code changes. At the same time API updates 
can be made to either expose Java 9 behavior by request -or- propagate the 
change of defaults to the consumers Validator.

Keeping in sync with changes like this is an exercise in chasing a dragon. The 
best one can hope for is to document the behavior for the two versions as split 
by the Java 9 SDK update and continue to build both environments in CI. 



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