Perhaps there is an opportunity here for a new Apache project that can meet the requirements outlined above. But then that might just be a "me too" implementation of several new mail reading/processing tools from the big companies.
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:21 PM, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: > On 18 January 2015 at 14:15, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > The Apache Software Foundation has a requirement of open, public, > > decision-making. The short-hand implication of those requirements is that > > 'discussions that lead to decisions are made on mailing lists.' Closely > > related is the requirement that important functions take place on ASF > > infrastructure. > > > > I emphasize 'short-hand'. If a PMC wants to contemplate some alternative > > technology that satisfies the underlying requirement, the PMC can > > experiment with that; for anything radical, it's probably best to talk to > > the board early and often -- who might reflect you to, say, infra@. > > > It will not lead to open decision-making if some project use different > medias than other, it > will complicate searching quite a lot. > > If (and it is a big "if") ASF should change the mailing list policy it > should be done in a uniform way for all projects. > > rgds > jan i > > > > > Many projects use other things and arrange for them to send email to the > > list as the official record; such as JIRA. Personally, I think it's a > > question whether a mailing list consisting only of a constant torrent of > > notifications from JIRA, or some code review tool, really meets up with > the > > intent of the policy. The argument in favor is that any community member > > sees all the traffic and can hoist themselves over to the tool to be an > > equal participant. > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Claude Warren <cla...@xenei.com> wrote: > > > > > I prefer the mailing list because it pushes new concepts to me. Git > and > > > such requires that I work harder to get the information. Most of the > > > Apache mailing lists have a high signal to noise ratio. And even the > > > signals I am not interested in don't take that long to dispose of. > > > > > > Claude > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Benedikt Ritter <brit...@apache.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > over at the Apache Commons Project, we have a long discussion about > our > > > > mailing lists. Are they to noisy? Should they be splitted up into > > > sublists? > > > > Should individual components go TLP? > > > > IMHO Ben McCann summed up the core problem pretty well [1]. Mailing > > lists > > > > are simply a outdated tool from the 90s. They can not compete with > > tools > > > > like github/gitlab that integrate the code with the possibility to do > > > code > > > > reviews, disucssions and bugtracking. > > > > > > > > Now I'm curious: Does anybody here really like the use of mailing > > lists? > > > Or > > > > do we all simply go through the struggle of setting up filters etc. > > just > > > > because this is the way it has always been? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Benedikt > > > > > > > > [1] http://markmail.org/message/iizay3mmf2msvaf2 > > > > > > > > -- > > > > http://people.apache.org/~britter/ > > > > http://www.systemoutprintln.de/ > > > > http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter > > > > http://github.com/britter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > I like: Like Like - The likeliest place on the web > > > <http://like-like.xenei.com> > > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudewarren > > > > > > -- I like: Like Like - The likeliest place on the web <http://like-like.xenei.com> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudewarren
