Noah, ASF has not gotten to where it is by generalizations and abstractions of nonexistent issues. Whenever anyone brings up a hypothetical, be it in Legal or Membership quorums, the response is that we deal with it when there are actual usecases. I am asking for examples, some type of record to consume to form myself an opinion of whether anything new is needed. If such pragmatism hurts your feelings, well... I might pity you for being too sensitive, but it is not an argument and you are not convincing me of anything.
Cheers Niclas On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: > I took a leave of absence from the ASF for over a year (my previous email > on this thread was one of my first since returning) precisely because the > treatment I got on these mailing lists was so deleterious for my mental > health that I had to take a break, for my safety. > > Positioning *war* as the canonical example of un-safety is a poor one. > There are many forms of safety. Feeling like a community is a good place > for you to inhabit, feeling like it wont harm you (emotionally, mentally, > or otherwise) is well within the remit of safety that we, as a > community-focused org, should be concerned about. > > > On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 at 10:32 Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote: > > > On 14/11/2016 00:52, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 4:58 AM, Sharan Foga <sha...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > >> *General Diversity Approach and Strategy* > > >> I haven't had much time to update this on the wiki but once the > > committer > > >> survey is complete I will be able to perhaps tailor it based on the > > results. > > >> > > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ > > >> Diversity+Strategy+Ideas > > >> > > >> I'm still interested in getting feedback and ideas from anyone about > > ways > > >> to develop the strategy and actions we can take to help encourage > > diversity. > > > > <snip/> > > > > > So; What does "feel safe" mean? > > > In this context, it must be a first world non-problem. Because I doubt > > that > > > you think ASF committers will be hit by drone strikes if their location > > is > > > known, that an unfortunate email will cause terrorist attacks or > > indirectly > > > causing thermo-nuclear war. "Safe" means that there is no imminent > danger > > > to our lives and physical health. Maslow's somewhat revised hierarchy > > also > > > includes "financial security" as it quite directly affects our > survival. > > > "Safe" doesn't encompass "not feeling happy", "I was offended" and > other > > > non-sense. > > > If you against all odds are talking about real safety; I can't imagine > > that > > > anyone became more unsafe after joining ASF communities. Right? > > > > Wrong. There are examples of people being threatened and/or assaulted > > directly as a result of their participation in an ASF community. I'm one > > of them. > > > > I whole-heartedly support the work that Sharan is doing this area. I am > > of the view that the phrase "feel safe" is an critical element of the > > desired outcomes and should remain. > > > > Mark > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > > -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
