Let me just mention something said up-thread, about the ASF being about
voluntary software... It is, but is even more about communities. One of the
most important core values of the ASF is "community over code". Communities
come first, and the ASF, as a foundation, just sets the principles on top
of which communities should be developed. It does not take part on nor
control the software they produce. It is just the output of healthy
communities that happen to produce software.
Those that understand the ASF and why community over code is important will
probably agree that understanding the nature of our communities is an
important factor in determining how healthy they are and how the
foundation, as a whole, can do better to improve them. And itself.
Diversity is key in that regard, and this is the right list to develop this
kind of efforts.
On Dec 20, 2016 8:10 AM, "Karlie Parks" <karliejadepa...@icloud.com> wrote:
> sharon deer someone needs to take your temperature,
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 19, 2016, at 10:39 PM, Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org> wrote:
>
> Shawn,
> maybe, just maybe, the twitter-activists will spot this and descend on the
> ASF with vengeance, realizing that the Apache License (and all software
> that uses it) is sexist, racist and bigoted, since it doesn't prevent
> sexists, racists and other haters from using our software. And WE, the
> ASF, do nothing about that. WE are on the side of the haters. This is the
> logic that is applied elsewhere.
> That is one of the fears _I_ have about digging in this. It is like
> searching for patents...
>
> And YES, I am on the side of free usage of the software we produce, even by
> people I am diametrically opposed to. I think it is not ASF's mission to
> determine that line in the sand. All this is a political issue, disguised
> with a "it is good for us" label, and many here look at the label and go
> "Yeah, I favor that."
>
> I hope I am wrong about ASF ending up being a target by the outside SJW
> activists, that we are too small to bother with. But let it be known, it
> has now been a predicted possibility... so don't be shocked if it happens.
>
> Sharan,
> About the numbers;
> 1. Most of the registered committers have been inactive for years, many
> have never been active in the past and was part of a bulk inclusion of
> committers via a podling coming in.
>
> 2. Are there similar surveys available for say Linux Kernel, Debian or
> GNU/FSF (i.e. other low-visibility, highly technical FOSS projects) ??
>
> 3. The survey was targeted at committers. Shouldn't we also find out who
> "uses" our software. After all, by-and-large, we attract our committers
> from our users ("who has an itch to scratch"). That is a primary point of
> "conversion" and if the selection pool is not much different from the stats
> that you have now collected... (yes, speculation) ... does that mean we are
> done? It is also much harder to reach that group.
>
> 4. When will the scrubbed raw data be available for the community?
>
>
> Cheers
> Niclas
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Shawn McKinney <smckin...@symas.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >> On Dec 19, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Peter West <p...@pbw.id.au> wrote:
> >>
> >> The ASF has free software, freely produced by anyone who wants to put
> > his or her hand up. Talk about “diversity” is deeply divisive, and all
> of
> > the BS that accompanies it is the antithesis of freedom. It is the
> impulse
> > of petty totalitarians who are determined to impose their views on
> others,
> > and to marginalise and denigrate and demonise those who think…diversely.
> > Need I mention Brendan Eich here?
> >>
> >> So keep this stuff out of the ASF, please. You are free to pursue
> > whatever other (non-software) obsessions you like in your own time, and
> > those big software houses with their diversity departments will
> accomodate
> > you at work.
> >
> > Confused by this viewpoint. Here we have a set of statistics (thanks
> > Sharon) that provides insight into the types of people that participate.
> > If that info can then be put into use and expands our committer base
> beyond
> > the typical into the atypical we would then produce more/better software.
> > What’s wrong with that? I see only practical usages from this but maybe
> > I’m just being naive?
> >
> > Shawn
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