HI Bertrand, YES! This is the big issue with GitHub based projects/podlings.
> On Nov 2, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org> > wrote: > > Hi, > > I'd like to address this specifically as I think it's a common issue > in many of our projects today. > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 4:31 PM Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote: >> ...One potential problem is the work flow using the github tools, which can >> have the effect >> of dialog "off-list" between the submitter and the other devs... > > I agree with that - in a project where most of the action happens on > GitHub (*) it can be hard or impossible to follow the action by just > subscribing to the project's dev list. > > I don't think there's anything wrong with discussions happening in > pull requests (PRs), that's the natural way of working in GitHub and > their tools are extremely convenient and efficient. > > However I think we need to stick to the principle that someone who's > just reading the dev list isn't missing out on anything. It is what > puts part-time contributors on an equal footing with people who work > full time on our projects which is IMO a key aspect of the Apache Way. > > So, how do we fix this? Blindly copying all GitHub PR comments to a > mailing list won't work IMO, as the result is not easy nor convenient > to follow. Copying is required for archival purposes (**) but not > practical for us humans IMO so I recommend copying to an "activity" or > "commits" list, distinct from the dev list. > > One thing that I'd like to experiment in a podling (OpenWhisk) where I > see this problem is to send weekly news to the dev list, listing which > PRs are active, which modules are being actively worked on in > multi-module project, etc. so that people know where to look in > addition to the dev list. > > Ideally automated, but additional human comment certainly helps as well. Regarding automation of this I think that the answer really lies in what can be automated out of GitHub / GitBox. If you have a conversation with Infra about this, please let me know. I’d like to include some of other podlings in this experiment: ECharts Doris Also, Dubbo is making a good switchover to using the dev list and is currently voting in a number of contributors as committers. It would be interesting to see what information they would find relevant. Regards, Dave > > I have mentioned that idea on the podling's dev list a while ago but > didn't get any traction...I might try this myself and will report here > if that happens. In the meantime, I'm interested in having other > opinions on this topic. > > -Bertrand > > (*) which is fine given our https://gitbox.apache.org/ tooling > (**) in case GitHub goes away - remember we are designing this > Foundation for the next 50 years > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
