Hi -

I find it nearly impossible to follow GitHub (GitBox) emails. I know Infra has 
done some work on threading these which has improved the situation. More needs 
to be done to improve the subjects. Perhaps we can also create digest emails.

For JIRA I guess since I’ve used JIRA off and on since JIRA version 1 AND it is 
easier to have a meaningful subject I’m less concerned.

Regards,
Dave

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> On May 8, 2019, at 4:24 AM, Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi Lars,
> 
> I agree that Jira emails have been there for quite some time. 
> It seems as more projects are starting to discuss things in jira.
> What I'm more referring to is that with the jira issues, it would be great if 
> the title of these emails could be stripped down drastically.
> Could imagine the email of the user doing something being used as sender and 
> for example strip down the whole "JIRA Christofer Dutz commented on 
> PLC4X-0815: yadda yadda" to something like "PLC4X-0815: yadda yadda (New 
> comment)"
> It's all this nonsense prefix to the interesting part of the mail title I'm 
> mostly criticizing. 
> Besides the lack of content in the GitHub emails, which is a second issue for 
> me.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> Am 08.05.19, 12:05 schrieb "Lars Francke" <lars.fran...@gmail.com>:
> 
>    Hi Chris,
> 
>    I partially agree with you.
> 
>    I agree with Github pull requests. They are hard to follow and hard to read
>    (and I don't only mean the mails but also on the site itself).
> 
>    I disagree with the Jira mails though. I wouldn't really know how to
>    improve those and I like that the discussion is part of the issue itself
>    and I don't agree that this has changed recently. Jira discussions have
>    been happening like this for years at least in the projects I'm working on,
>    so nothing really has changed there. They can't really put much content in
>    the subject?
> 
>    I also dislike that it's getting harder to keep track of things with
>    Github + Jira. There are open Jira issues with "Pending Review" (or
>    similar) state and there are open Pull requests where there used to be only
>    one place.
> 
>    Do you have any suggestions on how to improve this?
> 
>    Cheers,
>    Lars
> 
>    On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 10:13 AM Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
>    wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have noticed in a lot of projects I am involved in, that my active
>> participation has dropped with more and more communities shifting to
>> discuss things in jira and using github code reviews.
>> 
>> Usually I used the title of emails to decide on which discussions I should
>> follow … this worked great till all topics sort of start with:
>> 
>> [jira][someoperation][somproject-someissueid] some description
>> 
>> Or even worse:
>> 
>> [GitHub] [someproject] someone commented on a change in pull request
>> #someid: some description
>> 
>> …
>> 
>> Is it just me, or do you also have problems mass-scanning mailinglists
>> with these titles in most of their emails?
>> I mean … I am currently following about 30-40 email lists and I really
>> have to be efficient in keeping up to date.
>> 
>> For me I think it’s really damaging as I am not willing to manually go
>> through all the Jira issues and github pull requests or github issues to
>> scan through masses of emails to find the usually minimal information they
>> contain.
>> Especially github reviews really piss me off as the net information
>> content for each of these emails is minimal their use is minimal as the
>> context isn’t contained and I have to click on 10 emails to get the point
>> of one single review.
>> 
>> I think it’s great to be open to changes, but we really have to ensure we
>> don’t lose what has been good.
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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