+1

ASF is a flat organization - by design. This proposal adds a level of hierarchy 
without justifying the need for it.

If people are unable to conduct the business of this proposed structure within 
ComDev and/or VP Conferences then fix that, don't work around it.

So, as Ted asks "Why is all this organizational hierarchy needed?"

Ross

________________________________________
From: Ted Dunning <tdunn...@apache.org>
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 6:38 PM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) Next Steps


This ALC stuff looks like a way to have local meetups.

Why is all this organizational hierarchy needed?

Why not just have meetups?

On 2019/08/01 13:29:41, Swapnil M Mane <swapnilmm...@apache.org> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Hope you are doing good.
> Thanks, everyone who shared their kind thoughts on ALC proposal [1].
>
> As a next step, we have documented various information, which will help us
> in bringing ALC in action.
>
> # 1. ALC home page
> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FApache%2BLocal%2BCommunity%2B-%2BALC&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061433531&amp;sdata=yXuLVZhp%2F%2Fieoq%2FUww1ImL9yBz2%2Fur6%2BJePP9FI7CLg%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
>
> This is the root wiki document for ALC and contains the following
> information
> -- About ALC
> -- ALC Roles and Responsibility
> -- How ALC Chapter will be formed
> -- Benefits of ALC
> -- Code of conduct
> -- Addition information
> -- Contact  ALC
>
> # 2. ALC Resources
> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FALC%2BResources&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061433531&amp;sdata=f8wsjmAxOvPURcR9%2B7dlcnbxKIkx9fFy%2BGpU%2BPzbEc4%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> This document is used for collecting the information and resources
> (presentations, media, etc.) that will be helpful for ALC chapters.
> Currently, contain the following information
> -- Types of events organized by ALC Chapters
> -- Venue for the event
> -- Topics for the session
>
> # 3. ALC Chapters
> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FALC%2BChapters&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061443539&amp;sdata=ZxM8gqhpEU3V%2FGxZvFnsphJI5TvFrn2oAIb2O3Wj8nM%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> This wiki contains all the ALC Chapters detail.
>
> ## 3.1 ALC Indore
> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FALC%2BIndore&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061443539&amp;sdata=kUlZcS7BLOV%2FUUtemIT3DWdHeJrhXB0VigAzhFRG9Co%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> Each ALC Chapter will have its own wiki, which will contain details
> specific to that ALC Chapter. Since I am with Pranay Pandey starting the
> ALC Indore Chapter, thus created a wiki page for ALC Indore.
> Other chapters will also create their own wiki page.
>
> ### 3.1.1 ALC Indore Events
> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FALC%2BIndore%2BEvents&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061443539&amp;sdata=eUJU%2BzGYHeEm%2Bp2k6%2Fomc2rKZ8JIUsSK0BgxP4xQY%2Bo%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> This document contains information about upcoming and past events organized
> by ALC Indore Chapter.
>
> ### 3.1.2 ALC Indore Reports
> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FALC%2BIndore%2BReports&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061443539&amp;sdata=rcnZlOOmSb4iDniQ0CeqcF94czggtw%2BcxKRsgVrZm%2BI%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> The ALC Chapter shares the status report to the ALC Management Committee in
> every two months. This wiki contains these reports. The report includes
> details on the activities performed by the ALC Chapter and its impact.
>
> # 4 Reports
> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FReports&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061443539&amp;sdata=yBMLzbVaCKpCujIdcpMUOhq3CyJVxiScMG8lu10ytjw%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> This wiki contains the details of all the report shared to ALC Management
> Committee by ALC Chapters.
>
> # 5 Organizational Hierarchy
> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FOrganizational%2BHierarchy&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061443539&amp;sdata=4EPu7ePgrcrG1AdCv1%2BHcwlEBuzGyTbunRZZuT9mIr8%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> This document details the Organizational Hierarchy structure for working of
> Apache Local Community.
> *Important Note* - This document is under review by Apache Community
> Development PMC and not finalized yet. The ComDev PMC will take the final
> decision on this.
>
> So, here is the documented hierarchy managed in confluence.
> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FApache%2BLocal%2BCommunity%2B-%2BALC&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061443539&amp;sdata=v3DptCy99diJtOSjkLiA1Th%2Fm18gRdUIriPZTefx3Ho%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> Apache Local Community - ALC (Home page)
> |-------- ALC Resources
> |-------- ALC Chapters
>            |-------- ALC Indore
>                       |--------  ALC Indore Events
>                       |--------  ALC Indore Reports
>           |-------- [other ALC Chapter will for same hierarchy as ALC
> Indore]
> |-------- Reports
> |-------- Organizational Hierarchy
>
>
> Please have a look at this and share your valuable thoughts.
> Please feel free to comments, we will be happy to incorporate your
> suggestions in the ALC.
>
> [1] 
> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fs.apache.org%2Ft6nxd&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061443539&amp;sdata=JR5wKQUdD5mEApuUY%2FUras7rBrl36NRwRBe%2BVxU8lbA%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
>
> Best regards,
> Swapnil M Mane,
> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.apache.org&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061443539&amp;sdata=IpkdfWObI%2FdGgzWLNmIk8eg1Uwzy%2FaLtCYbLkgMZPAI%3D&amp;reserved=0
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