On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:15 PM Matthew Sacks <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks for your input. > > “I don’t like it” is your only reason? Hey Matthew, Reread his objection, he provided his rationale beyond the way you’ve characterized it. If you’re familiar with motivations, it’s the difference between creating a space where people are intrinsically motivated vs extrinsically motivated. Carrots are a mechanism for extrinsic motivation which is prolly not healthy for our Way. I’d add that they are also meaningless given the disparity with which people gain committership, PMC membership, and Foundation membership across our projects. Merit isn’t transferrable across projects leaving the only merit badge of interest a Member badge, which isn’t very meaningful outside the organization to anyone whose clueful. Thanks —tim > > Perhaps we should get rid of the corporate thank you page? > > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:47 PM Daniel Ferradal <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands, > > distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar > > that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of > > manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want > > and may probably lead to people feeling better than others or just the > > opposite, which is worse. > > > > ASF being what it is, all volunteers doing whatever they can or want, > > time, life, family or will permits, but a necessary few that work > > professionally to maintain operation, I don't like the idea of using > > this kind of "corporate encouragement". > > > > I understand the idea behind this is probably well meant, but that > > does not make me like it anyway. > > > > Cheers. > > > > El lun, 5 abr 2021 a las 18:06, Matthew Sacks > > (<[email protected]>) escribió: > > > > > > If I can get a vm as you suggested I’m happy to start a PoC. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:52 AM Rich Bowen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/5/21 10:46 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote: > > > > > So far response has been more yay than nay. > > > > > > > > > > Next steps to turn this into a teak initiative? > > > > > > > > > > Vote? > > > > > > > > > > Podling setup or is this going to be an Infra service? > > > > > > > > There are, I believe, two possible ways forward here: > > > > > > > > 1) We request a VM from infra, and someone volunteers to stand this > up > > > > and maintain it. > > > > > > > > 2) We persuade Infra that this is a necessary service that they > should > > > > host for the Foundation. > > > > > > > > My recommendation would be to go route 1 to start, and then judge, > > based > > > > on adoption, whether 2 is justified. The problem with 1, of course, > is > > > > that it requires a volunteer who is willing to move forward with it > and > > > > keep it alive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The https://www.badgr.org looks like a good way to implement, > maybe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:25 AM Matt Sicker <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> This sounds cool! > > > > >> > > > > >> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 08:20, lidong dai <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> wow, I like this idea very much! > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Best Regards > > > > >>> --------------- > > > > >>> DolphinScheduler PMC chair > > > > >>> Lidong Dai > > > > >>> [email protected] > > > > >>> --------------- > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks < > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s > > themselves. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> AaaaH .. No NFT please :). > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> J. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks < > > > > >> [email protected]> > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate > > the > > > > >> badge > > > > >>>>>> authenticity? > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <[email protected] > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>> I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly > more > > > > >>>>>>>> tongue-in-cheek approach. > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> Some sample "merits" I had in mind then: > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> - 1,000 commits within a year > > > > >>>>>>>> - 5,000 commits in total > > > > >>>>>>>> - 1,000 emails to our lists > > > > >>>>>>>> - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times > > > > >>>>>>>> - Caused at least one CVE > > > > >>>>>>>> - *Fixed* at least that one CVE... > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not > > > > >> what > > > > >>>> many > > > > >>>>>>>> people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above > > > > >> boxes > > > > >>>>> btw!) > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We > > > > >> have > > > > >>>>>> access > > > > >>>>>>>> to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a > bunch > > > > >> of > > > > >>>>> them. > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ > which > > > > >> has a > > > > >>>>>>> small advantage that it already exists and has an active > > > > >> developer > > > > >>>>>>> community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from > > > > >> Kibble > > > > >>>> into > > > > >>>>>>> Badgr. > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch* > > of > > > > >>>> times > > > > >>>>>>> over. :D > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> --Rich > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>> I like the idea. > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> It's very similar to what has already been done at the > > > > >> ApacheCon > > > > >>>>> every > > > > >>>>>>>>> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your > > > > >> generic > > > > >>>>>>>>> "conference badge". > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968 > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> J. > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted > > > > >> <[email protected] > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I like this idea. > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Ted Liu > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks > > > > >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges > > > > >>>>>>>>>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. > So > > > > >> like > > > > >>>>>> other > > > > >>>>>>>>>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit > > > > >> badge. It > > > > >>>>>> would > > > > >>>>>>>>>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and > > > > >> contributions > > > > >>>>>>>>>> (volunteer, > > > > >>>>>>>>>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.). > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Also, what projects you work on. > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges: > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/ > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m > proposing. > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are > > > > >> based > > > > >>>> on > > > > >>>>>>>>>> merit, > > > > >>>>>>>>>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve > > > > >> done? > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually > > > > >> badges > > > > >>>>>>>>>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor. > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge: > > > > >>>>>>>>>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc > > > > >>>>>>>>>> - year joined > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page > > > > >> with: > > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to > > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc > > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one) > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF > > > > >> “brand” > > > > >>>> and > > > > >>>>>>>>>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers > and > > > > >> IT > > > > >>>>>>>>>> professionals in the world helping make better software > > > > >> available > > > > >>>>> to > > > > >>>>>>>>>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and > > > > >>>>> individuals > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge > > > > >> validated by > > > > >>>> an > > > > >>>>>>>>>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy > Fielding > > > > >> or > > > > >>>>>> JimJag’s > > > > >>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest > in > > > > >>>>> expanding > > > > >>>>>>>>>> ASF > > > > >>>>>>>>>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page > > > > >> views, and > > > > >>>>>> more > > > > >>>>>>>>>> benefits. > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe > Apple > > > > >>>>> (probably > > > > >>>>>>>>>> not), > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor > badge > > > > >> to > > > > >>>> show > > > > >>>>>>>>>> their > > > > >>>>>>>>>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More > > > > >>>>>>>>>> corporations will > > > > >>>>>>>>>> follow suit. > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thoughts? > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [email protected] > > > > >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > [email protected] > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> -- > > > > >>>>>>> Rich Bowen - [email protected] > > > > >>>>>>> @rbowen > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > [email protected] > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> -- > > > > >>>>>> Thank you, Matthew > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> -- > > > > >>>>> +48 660 796 129 > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> -- > > > > >>>> Thank you, Matthew > > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > > Thank you, Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Rich Bowen > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > -- > > > Thank you, Matthew > > > > > > > > -- > > Daniel Ferradal > > HTTPD Project > > #httpd help at Freenode > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > -- > Thank you, Matthew >
