Hello Mohammad :)
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 at 17:12, Mohammad Noureldin <nour.moham...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Maxim! > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 3:51 AM Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> Should I change my semi-automatic-answer? :) >> Maybe add section or correct some wording? :) > > > 1st of all, nothing wrong at all regarding your semi-automatic-answer (using > your own words :) ). On the contrary I do really thank you that you have the > patience to keep responding to such emails in a friendly way and that you, in > a good way, directing the senders to the right places. As non-native English speaker with no practice for 5+ years I would appreciate any help in correcting my email (or maybe some details can be added) > > It is more about the root cause or the reason behind them keep sending to > mentors@ which, IMHO, it can mean 1 of 2 things: > - Either they get lost going through the Apache Community Development website > - and/or the information is not clear enough > > For that I believe, and as sebb suggested which I agree with, making clear > what channel(s) of communication to use, when and in what context, can help > the sender directing them to the right place(s) from the very beginning. > > We still keep your friendly semi-automatic-answer as a last rest :D > > May I suggest something. How about you and I go through the Apache Community > Development website, collect such content and cross check with each other as > a sort of peer-review ? > > What are your thoughts about that ? Unfortunately I have not much free time right now (2 small kids 24/7) I believe the main reason emails go to mentors@ : people are looking for mentors :) (same thing happens with dev@ list: users will write to dev@ to contact developers ....) I'm not sure how this can be improved :( p.s. as Melissa use to say: I miss your smiley face :) Hope to see you at one of ApacheCon one day :) > >> >> On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 at 08:23, Mohammad Noureldin >> <nour.moham...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > sebb, good idea! >> > >> > I will go through the Apache Community Development website, list all emails >> > with when to use and in what context as the content for that section/page. >> > >> > On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 1:05 AM sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 23:54, Mohammad Noureldin >> > > <nour.moham...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Hi, >> > > > >> > > > I've followed up on some of these emails that have been sent to >> > > > mentors@ >> > > > asking the senders to give us feedback on where on the Apache Community >> > > > Development website [1] they have found that they need to/should send >> > > > an >> > > > email to mentors@. >> > > > >> > > > IMHO we better 1st understand that before creating another mailing >> > > > list. >> > > It >> > > > could be that we only need to rephrase some information on that website >> > > or >> > > > make it more clear where they should go with their questions/inquiries. >> > > >> > > Maybe have a single section with all email addresses and what their >> > > purpose is. >> > > >> > > If an email address is mentioned in isolation, the temptation is to >> > > just use that without reading the surrounding text carefully. >> > > And even if the list does not appear to be quite right, if one has not >> > > found any other address then one might assume it is OK to use. >> > > >> > > When the addresses are listed together, it's much easier to choose the >> > > correct list. >> > > >> > > > [1] https://community.apache.org >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 8:37 PM Paulo Motta <pauloricard...@gmail.com> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Hi everyone, >> > > > > >> > > > > I would like to follow-up on this topic, given the recent student >> > > seeking >> > > > > GSoC information in the mentors list <ment...@community.apache.org>. >> > > > > >> > > > > I would like to hear your opinions on creating a mixed student and >> > > mentors >> > > > > list <g...@community.apache.org> for ASF-wide mentors to advertise >> > > > > projects >> > > > > to potentially interested students, as well as taking general >> > > > > questions >> > > > > about ASF participation in GSoC. >> > > > > >> > > > > If there's interest I can volunteer to set up the list with ASF >> > > > > Infra, >> > > and >> > > > > work with Maxim to set it as a point of contact in ASF's GSoC page (< >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/archive/2021/organizations/5149287498907648 >> > > > > >). >> > > > > >> > > > > Kind regards, >> > > > > >> > > > > Paulo >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Em sex., 19 de nov. de 2021 às 13:32, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> >> > > escreveu: >> > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 at 15:19, Paulo Motta >> > > > > > <pauloricard...@gmail.com> >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Would it not be better to point to students@ ? >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Perhaps not if we want mentors to have visibility of prospective >> > > > > > students, since that list is restricted only to students afaik. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > There have not been many posts [1], but they are publicly archived >> > > > > > so >> > > > > > I doubt it is restricted to students. It was created in June 2013 >> > > > > > [2] >> > > > > > >> > > > > > If the list name were promoted on the webpage it might help to >> > > > > > revive >> > > > > > the list, otherwise it should perhaps be shut down. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sebb >> > > > > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/list?stude...@community.apache.org >> > > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6397 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Em sex., 19 de nov. de 2021 às 12:04, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> >> > > > > escreveu: >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 at 13:38, Paulo Motta < >> > > pauloricard...@gmail.com> >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > Good call Hans - I guess we should make that point to >> > > dev@community >> > > > > ? >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> Would it not be better to point to students@ ? >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> Also the 'Mailing List' link on that page points to >> > > > > > >> https://apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html >> > > > > > >> which is a general page about how mailing lists operate. Not >> > > > > > >> what >> > > I >> > > > > > expected. >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> The page needs a bit of TLC. >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > Also >> > > > > > >> > perhaps we should make IRC Channel point to >> > > > > > https://the-asf.slack.com/ ? >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > Em sex., 19 de nov. de 2021 às 10:31, Hans Van Akelyen < >> > > > > > >> > hans.van.akel...@gmail.com> escreveu: >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > The contact email on the GSoC is mentors@a.o >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/archive/2021/organizations/5149287498907648/ >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 at 14:17, Maxim Solodovnik < >> > > > > > solomax...@gmail.com> >> > > > > > >> > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Afaik there is students@community >> > > > > > >> > > > Potential gsoc participants would like to follow shortest >> > > path >> > > > > to >> > > > > > mentors >> > > > > > >> > > > ..... >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > from mobile (sorry for typos ;) >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 20:11 Paulo Motta < >> > > > > pauloricard...@gmail.com >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I wonder why so many students are reaching out to the >> > > mentors >> > > > > > list >> > > > > > >> > > asking >> > > > > > >> > > > > for information about GSoC. Perhaps we should create a >> > > > > specific >> > > > > > list >> > > > > > >> > > for >> > > > > > >> > > > > GSoC students or maybe make it more explicit that >> > > > > > >> > > > > students >> > > > > > should reach >> > > > > > >> > > > out >> > > > > > >> > > > > to dev@community.apache.org to announce interest in >> > > > > > participating or >> > > > > > >> > > ask >> > > > > > >> > > > > questions about GSoC ? >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Cheers, >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Paulo >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Em sex., 19 de nov. de 2021 às 03:02, Maxim Solodovnik < >> > > > > > >> > > > > solomax...@gmail.com> >> > > > > > >> > > > > escreveu: >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Hello Suhel, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > mentors@ is the list for mentors, not for students :) >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I can recommend you to check this page: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > https://community.apache.org/gsoc.html >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Then find the project you would like to participate in >> > > here: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > https://projects.apache.org/projects.html? >> > > > > > >> > > > > > language#Java >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Additionally you can search for the GSOC label in JIRA >> > > :) >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Please send any additional questions to the >> > > dev@community >> > > > > > >> > > mailing-list >> > > > > > >> > > > > > or better to the dev@ list of the particular Apache >> > > project >> > > > > > you >> > > > > > >> > > would >> > > > > > >> > > > > > like to contribute :) >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > From: Suhel Kapadia >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Cc: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bcc: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 01:58:31 +0530 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Subject: How to get started with contribution >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Sir/Madam, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am Suhel Kapadia, a 2nd year CSE undergrad. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am new to open source contributions but I am well >> > > versed >> > > > > > in c and >> > > > > > >> > > > > c++. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I also have some experience with javascript and >> > > > > > >> > > > > > python. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I would really appreciate it if you could guide me >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > on >> > > how >> > > > > > to start >> > > > > > >> > > > > > contributing to your organization >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hoping to hear from you soon >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Suhel. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > -- >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Best regards, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Maxim >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > > > >> > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> > > > > dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >> > > > > > >> > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: >> > > > > > dev-h...@community.apache.org >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Thanks >> > > > - Mohammad Noureldin >> > > > ---- >> > > > "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep >> > > moving" >> > > > - Albert Einstein >> > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >> > > >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > Thanks >> > - Mohammad Noureldin >> > ---- >> > "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving" >> > - Albert Einstein >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Maxim >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >> > > > -- > Thanks > - Mohammad Noureldin > ---- > "Life is like riding a bicycle. 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