+1 to making this change. It would immediately make our mailing lists more consumable and welcoming to actual humans.
Coupled with a page explaining how this works (Oh! Look! There's already one at https://community.apache.org/contributors/mailing-lists.html ) this would be a great service to our communities. On Tue, 2023-08-01 at 12:16 +0000, Christofer Dutz wrote: > Starting a new thread as the last one sort of dried up and didn’t > quite form anything actionable. > > Being subscribed to many of our mailing-lists and most recently > looking into every project, dev-lists when reviewing board reports, I > have seen many of our lists literally being rendered useless. > > Useless, because it’s almost impossible to follow these lists, as a > large percentage of the emails are: > > * Generated emails and the way they are currently generated makes > it impossible for email clients to correctly display them as threads. > * Contain so much redundant information, that the actual start of > the header that I’m interested in reading is usually not readable on > mobile phones. > * Most discussions have been moved away from the lists > (notifications@, commits@), having left over only skeletons in which > every now and then a vote is being handled. > > My proposal is to change the default settings for auto-generated > GitHub emails for all projects (not just the new ones) to be a much > more condensed version. > > With these changes, all existing lists, that haven’t manually > configured the format of the emails, instantly get readable lists > again. > > Some would argue that there might be projects that could object these > changes, but I would on the other hand bet that more projects would > be in favor of such a change than not. > Those who don’t want a change, can simply go back to the old format, > by specifying it in one commit for which we can even provide a > default .asf.yaml snippet. > > Some people expressed the wish to have longer prefixes, such as > “[ISSUE]”, “[PULL-REQUEST]” or “[DISCUSSION]” however do these not > add much information to the email that “[I]”, “[PR]” and “[D]” don’t > and the shorter version allows displaying more of the subject on > mobile email clients. > > Here’s an example of a project list before the changes: > https://lists.apache.org/list?d...@streampipes.apache.org:dfr=2023-1-9|dto=2023-1-15 > Here’s an example of the same list after using the other defaults: > https://lists.apache.org/list?d...@streampipes.apache.org:dfr=2023-6-12|dto=2023-6-18 > > Here’s an example on how even ponymail is now able to display > something happening on GitHub as a discussion you can also follow > nicely via email: > https://lists.apache.org/thread/rnr9tjx9rsnqc7b5nwcf68qnp5bkr9hc > > I would propose to keep the repository as part of the templates, even > if since my PR last week was merged it’s now possible to omit that > too. > > I care deeply about our projects, and I would really hate to see our > core principles being lost more and more (“If it didn’t happen on the > list, it didn’t happen”). > > You would make me really happy if I could get some general approval > by you folks here. > > > Chris > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
