> On Feb 12, 2024, at 10:57 AM, tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you for starting this discussion, Rich. > > I'm trying to get the points of this WG: > > 1. This WG is NOT a new office to "shepherd" TLPs, but to write down > how any community member can help in sharpening an ASF project. > 2. For applying any suggestions, the request is delegated to the > Board, Trademarks, or other offices in the case; a member of this WG > can be an accountable assistant. >
Well … yes and no. Ideally, a Sharpener will work with the PMC, offer them advice, and the PMC will act on that advice. One hopes that very little, if anything, is ever actually escalated to the Board or other officers. One of the big complaints about the Board is that it only has a big hammer - that is to say, the Board doesn’t do nuance. Once something reaches the Board, chances are something big is going to happen. And we want to avoid that. We want to discover, and address problems, long before they become problems. Anything that the Sharpener does, literally any member *could* do, but by creating a process/structure around this, I hope to * Make it more acceptable to projects (ie, it’s not personal, this is here to help us improve) * Make it easier for members to get involved in doing this (ie, give permission) * Reduce the number of escalations to the Board (ie, solve problems before they occur) > So, the main work items of this WG are shaping how any community > member can "supervise" an ASF project and how to collaborate with > offices to get TLPs to work well. Also, "ensure" that such guidances > are put into work. I am very intentionally trying to avoid words like “supervise.” We are coming alongside, and mentoring. We are not in a position of authority. The very first Value I stated was that the project has a right to decline. > > If so, I'd recall my previous comment as an Incubator mentor that: > >>> As a podling mentor, I know that many podlings join the ASF by influences >>> from other TLPs. So if the TLP violates our policies, it increases the >>> friction when we help the podlings to comply with our policies. > > I already worked with trademarks@ to spot and fix issues on a few > TLPs' content. I'm glad to join this WG to share my experience > contributing to well-formed guidance. Excellent. I look forward to collaborating with you on this. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
