Side comment: Is it possible to remove that email that produces a clearly AI generated nonsense response :) ? It did trigger my answer, but we should ban it regardless :)
But - to the point of your proposal Tison. I think it's ok for the people who created it to say "I am the original creator". But I am not sure if that is really something that we should encourage in a general case. Such encouragement might be seen as something we expect from our PMCs to do. Which I think we should not. It's not doing any harm usually, but I think it's very rare that software that is donated to ASF is "created" exclusively by a single person - and singling out that person in the docs, might do a disservice to others who were involved. Even if they were "managers" who make a decision of allowing the person to work on the project in their company time, or colleagues who discussed the initial ideas, reviewed the code and maybe even contributed in other ways - I would be extremely surprised that you can exclusively credit single person - even before joining incubation where it's "given". So if there is even a slight doubt that the person mentioned was absolutely most instrumental and is consensually agreed by everyone as "THE original creator", adding that person as "original creator" might do more harm than good. There are of course cases when you really can identify the single most impactful leader. And I think it also - in this case - strengthens what "ASF" values are - where individuals can be very, very impactful and can "change the world" - so having those cases explained as the "origin story" is a good idea as long as it is clear it does not create BDFL style of decision making in the project (so I would rather only put such an information on a project page when the person is basically an "emeritus" in the project and not active or at least obviously just "one of many". Very similar to what happened with Guido van Rossum in Python. Case to the point, we do exactly this in Airflow where we mention Maxime as the original creator, because that's clearly the case that he was the "mindset" behind it moving the idea from Facebook to AirBnb and leading the ASF incubation there. [1]. And he is a friend of the project and we invited him to speak at the Airflow Summit every year, and usually he gets a shout-out at the opening, but he is no longer actively taking part in decision making and developing of the project. [1] https://airflow.apache.org/docs/apache-airflow/stable/project.html J. On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:15 AM Moto g pure XT2163DL < motogpurex...@gmail.com> wrote: > I know for a fact you are not the original Creator or curator cuz I Herbert > do it the 4th and in fact the one who programmed all the tangents in for > that line of purpose because I've never worked with another person on any > of my movies and governments websites connections GPS lines or Internet if > you have any comments or questions about this you should check the location > of every entered character inside of this formatting bill > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2025, 7:22 PM tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > We have seen many threads discussing whether someone self-promotes as > > "an original creator of Apache Foo" is suitable. > > > > Today, when I'm reviewing Curator's website, I found an interesting > > page [1] that tells the project's history. > > > > [1] https://curator.apache.org/community/history > > > > It clearly states that Jordan Zimmerman is the original author of the > > project, which he created while working at Netflix. Later, the project > > entered the incubator, graduated, and became a top-level project in > > the ASF. All the history after donating is part of Apache Curator. > > > > I would encourage projects to write such a page when they are > > interested in identifying the original creators. A project's rationale > > explains its motivation, who creates what, and for what reasons (why). > > This would be much more valuable content to host. (This is a required > > section in the incubation proposal.) > > > > History can continue if anything significant happens after entering > > the ASF, but the narrative subject becomes Apache Foo, and we should > > be fine with those words. > > > > Best, > > tison. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > >
