HI Rich,

This is cool. Some thoughts.

1) On the Community Growth Tab new PMCs dominate the list. Would it make sense 
to have two lists?

2) Tooling is working on a catalog feature for the ATR Beta. In a few months we 
can likely hook you up with better data. I’ll note that if you are using the 
zzz/find file then you are using a method that mostly counts release artifacts 
where many PMC’s projects like Airflow Providers and OpenOffice release dozens 
or hundreds of artifacts in a single release. It might be interesting to count 
only source and binary convenience separately.

Best,
Dave

> On Jul 13, 2026, at 4:17 AM, Brian Proffitt <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> This looks really sharp, Rich. Please let me know if you need any help
> with this project, since metrics is still part of $dayjob.
> 
> Peace,
> BKP
> 
> Brian Proffitt
> VP, Marketing & Publicity
> VP, Conferences
> 
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2026 at 1:05 PM Rich Bowen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, folks,
>> 
>> One of the pillars of community health is the ability to *measure* it, in 
>> some meaningful way. As a director, as well as a PMC member, or a potential 
>> contributor, I always wanted some kind of high-level dashboard to see how a 
>> project is doing. Are the lists active? Are there more than a handful of 
>> people participating in the discussion? In the code?
>> 
>> For a while we had the Kibble dashboards. (I wonder if Kibble would do 
>> better in this AI-coding era than it did under the previous reality, but I 
>> guess that is a discussion for another time.) And I miss having that little 
>> bit of insight.
>> 
>> This weekend I put together this - 
>> https://boxofclue.com/comdev-metrics/index.html - which does very high-level 
>> metrics around several data sources:
>> 
>> * Git/SVN - is the project producing code?
>> * Mailing lists - is the community talking to each other?
>> * Community growth - Is the project adding members?
>> * Releases - Is the project releasing software?
>> 
>> This is primarily for myself, but if anyone thinks that this would be a 
>> service to our larger community, and fall under our mandate as the Community 
>> Development PMC, I’d be delighted to shove it into a ComDev repo. The code 
>> is here - https://github.com/rbowen/comdev-metrics
>> 
>> The basics are documented in README.md, and what I want to do next is in 
>> PLAN.md. DATA_SOURCES.md describes where the data is coming from.
>> 
>> It’s Python. It runs once a week, and takes a little over an hour, and about 
>> 6000 Github API calls, for the initial run, but subsequent runs only fetch 
>> the most recent activity, and use caches for everything else. It generates 
>> HTML/JSON/Javascript, so the result is static files that can be published to 
>> any web server. We could put them on projects.apache.org/metrics 
>> <http://projects.apache.org/metrics> for example, if that seems useful.
>> 
>> Feedback welcome. Do we want to provide this as a ComDev service? What 
>> additional metrics would be useful to you, as a PMC member or a Director? 
>> Would projects find this helpful in their quarterly reporting?
>> 
>> —Rich
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