and no apache attic [1] ? [1] http://attic.apache.org/
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Brian LeRoux <[email protected]> wrote: > This means we're going to leave Bada, Qt, webOS at their latest tags, > and not dist. (Code still accessible, etc.) > > We'll continue as normal for BB, for now. > > > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Gord Tanner <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am confused, who are the stewards and what platforms are being > stewarded? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On 2013-03-21, at 6:00 PM, Filip Maj <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> +1 > >> > >> On 3/21/13 2:12 PM, "Shazron" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> +1 > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Michal Mocny <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> +1 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until > >>>>> they find a steward. This means: > >>>>> > >>>>> - we won't be taggin them further > >>>>> - we won't be including them in a release > >>>>> > >>>>> This does not mean: > >>>>> > >>>>> - deletion or archiving or attic for the src > >>>>> > >>>>> (Think of it as a pause button!) > >>>>> > >>>>> Agree/disagree? > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve <[email protected] > > > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no > >>>>> benefit > >>>>>> in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to > >>>>> their > >>>>>> own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make > >>>> the > >>>>>> transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the > >>>> refactoring > >>>>>> hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's > >>>> JS > >>>>> repo > >>>>>> is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support > >>>> for > >>>>>> this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at > >>>> least > >>>>> as > >>>>>> far as the JS is concerned. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a > >>>> someone > >>>>>> willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if > >>>> Markus > >>>>>> wants to do the work to support it through this transition. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis > >>>> <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we > >>>> are > >>>>> able. > >>>>>>> I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be > >>>> with us > >>>>> for > >>>>>>> a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing > >>>> a > >>>>>>> significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary > >>>>> platform > >>>>>>> of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to > >>>> get > >>>>>>> adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap > >>>> Build > >>>>> IMO, > >>>>>>> and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a > >>>> black > >>>>>>> box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the > >>>> notion > >>>>> that > >>>>>>> enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be > >>>> maintained in > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built > >>>> on > >>>>>>> Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be > >>>>> able to > >>>>>>> look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable > >>>> platform > >>>> to > >>>>>>> support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hope that makes sense. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. > >>>>>>> From: Anis KADRI > >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>>>> Reply To: [email protected] > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: archiving older platforms > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> s/QR/Qt > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer > >>>> <[email protected] > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> +1 Bada/webOS/QR > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the > >>>> older BB > >>>>>>>> platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are > >>>>> currently > >>>>>>>> being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues > >>>>>>> regularly, > >>>>>>>> and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as > >>>> well. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is > >>>> stopping > >>>>> anyone > >>>>>>>>> from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related > >>>> fixes > >>>>> have > >>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>>> been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough > >>>> that > >>>>>>>>> drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support > >>>> for > >>>> the > >>>>>>>> older > >>>>>>>>> BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, "Michael Brooks" > >>>> <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out > >>>> there > >>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>>> BB 6 > >>>>>>>>>>> and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. > >>>>>>> Developers > >>>>>>>>>>> don't > >>>>>>>>>>> seem to be interested in those platform though and I think > >>>> the > >>>>> focus > >>>>>>>>>>> should > >>>>>>>>>>> be on BB10. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> It would probably be more accurate to say "BlackBerry Java" > >>>> which > >>>>>>>> includes > >>>>>>>>>> BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we "support" all the way back 4.6 > >>>> although no > >>>>> one > >>>>>>>>>> tests > >>>>>>>>>> that far back anymore. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like > >>>> to > >>>> see > >>>>>>>> Apache > >>>>>>>>>> Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, PhoneGap/Build > >>>> has > >>>>>>> seen > >>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>> large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> +1 Bada > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> +1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the > >>>> future > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> +1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when > >>>> gearing > >>>>> up > >>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu Phone > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> +0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team to > >>>> better > >>>>>>>>>> understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from > >>>> BlackBerry > >>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> chime > >>>>>>>>>> in with their opinion. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI < > >>>> [email protected] > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 to kill those platforms and archive them in the attic :-D > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can revive them from > >>>> the > >>>>>>> attic. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anis KADRI < > >>>>> [email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> According to [1]: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a > >>>> release, > >>>>>>> who > >>>>>>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>>>>>> no active committers or are unable to fulfill their > >>>> reporting > >>>>>>> duties > >>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> board are all good candidates for the Attic." > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I believe those projects satisfy the "no active > >>>> committers" > >>>>>>>> argument. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see any active committers for Bada, Qt or WebOS. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer and is no > >>>> longer > >>>>>>>>>>> employed by > >>>>>>>>>>>> the company that is in charge of it and I am not sure if > >>>> he's > >>>>>>> still > >>>>>>>>>>>> interested in maintaining it. There are still devices out > >>>>> there I > >>>>>>> am > >>>>>>>>>>> sure > >>>>>>>>>>>> but no new devices are getting shipped. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bada is officially dead [2] but they still released an > >>>> SDK a > >>>>>>> couple > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>>> weeks ago [3] O_O! They still owned #4 spot in Q3 2012 > >>>> ahead > >>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>> Windows > >>>>>>>>>>>> Phone [4] > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices > >>>> out > >>>>> there > >>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>>> BB > >>>>>>>>>>> 6 > >>>>>>>>>>>> and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. > >>>>>>>> Developers > >>>>>>>>>>> don't > >>>>>>>>>>>> seem to be interested in those platform though and I think > >>>> the > >>>>>>> focus > >>>>>>>>>>> should > >>>>>>>>>>>> be on BB10. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> [1] http://attic.apache.org/ > >>>>>>>>>>>> [2] > >>>> > >>>> > http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/samsung-scraps-bada-os-folds-it- > >>>>>>>>>>> tizen/2013-02-25 > >>>>>>>>>>>> [3] http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.6.html > >>>>>>>>>>>> [4] http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2237315 > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Brian LeRoux > >>>> <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The question has come up about our continued support for: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> - bada > >>>>>>>>>>>>> - webos > >>>>>>>>>>>>> - qt > >>>>>>>>>>>>> - bb6 & bb7 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody is currently actively maintaining Bada, and Qt. > >>>>> However, I > >>>>>>>>>>>>> could see us wanting to keep Qt around given Ubuntu > >>>> Phone. > >>>>> There > >>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>>>>> no new webOS devices, though rumours persist they could > >>>>> happen, > >>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>>>>> seems like its more of a ceremony than real support. The > >>>>> older BB > >>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms are maintained but the real focus is BB10. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts? > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> This transmission (including any attachments) may contain > >>>> confidential > >>>>>>> information, privileged material (including material protected by > >>>> the > >>>>>>> solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute > >>>>> non-public > >>>>>>> information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the > >>>>> intended > >>>>>>> recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in > >>>>> error, > >>>>>>> please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information > >>>> from > >>>>>>> your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of > >>>> this > >>>>>>> transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be > >>>>> unlawful. > >> >
