Couldn't find the thread, but I also thought there we had discussed having the 3.0 release == moving to CLI & having plugins separated.
I know PhoneGap Day is in July, and I agree 3.0 for PGD is a great goal, but a major version number bump shouldn't indicate that time has elapsed. There should be some excitement behind it! :) On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote: > No no. You must be mistaking us w/ the node project. We're shipping 3 > in July yo. > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Braden Shepherdson > <bra...@chromium.org> wrote: > > Four months? I thought we had agreed that 3.0 doesn't come after 2.9, it > > comes when we're ready. We can do 2.12 if we need to, or having 2.8 > > followed by 3.0. Is there some other timeline I don't know about? > > > > Braden > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote: > > > >> To be clear, I am certain we all agree, but this is the future. We're > >> working towards that future. We simply have too many users to not > >> build the transition path into our releases. Maybe 3.0 is that time. > >> Four months to move everything to plugins only. We'll see if we make > >> it. > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Braden Shepherdson < > bra...@chromium.org> > >> wrote: > >> > I don't think there's a better place for that transition than moving > to > >> > 3.0, though. It's already a huge change with the CLI and plugins and > the > >> > rest. Also one of the key advantages to splitting up the core into > >> plugins > >> > is that we wanted to separate the permissions so that Cordova apps > don't > >> > ask for everything all the time, but only what they actually need. > >> > > >> > -1 to installing all the core plugins by default, and to lockstep > >> > versioning them to the tools. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Offline happens! > >> >> > >> >> I think by default nobody needs ANY of our APIs but the transition to > >> >> that thinking will be the trick. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Michal Mocny <mmo...@chromium.org> > >> wrote: > >> >> > Hmm, but then the versioning of the core plugins is tied to the > >> version > >> >> of > >> >> > your cordova-cli tool at install time? > >> >> > > >> >> > I'm not opposed to installing cordova-core plugins by default which > >> can > >> >> > optionally be used as a fallback when or something, but I'm not > sure > >> that > >> >> > every app you create should by default include those. You are > right, > >> >> this > >> >> > is worthy of a longer discussion. > >> >> > > >> >> > (p.s. who goes offline?) > >> >> > > >> >> > -Michal > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Good question. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> My intuition is saying for as long as 3.x is around we preload w/ > >> core > >> >> >> plugins. We'll do as such w/ the PhoneGap distribution to minimize > >> >> >> pain. Once ppl are used to the tools they'll be asking for us to > >> >> >> default to none. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> My thoughts where that we'd start that way w/ Cordova but thats > open > >> >> too. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Andrew Grieve < > >> agri...@chromium.org> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > Yep, my biggest concern is that we are able to use CLI but still > >> work > >> >> >> > against master. I think braden's ask covers that though. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > What good is working offline if you have no plugins? Are you > >> >> suggesting > >> >> >> > that we also include some set of plugins inside of cordova-cli? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> > wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> It big. Certainly would be more efficient to lazy load, and > cache > >> so > >> >> >> >> offline works. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Gord Tanner < > gtan...@gmail.com> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > There was some issues over download size for our cli, any > idea > >> what > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> size of all the platforms are? > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Sent from my iPhone > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > On 2013-03-22, at 1:42 PM, Braden Shepherdson < > >> bra...@chromium.org > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> I'm content to have the vendoring, it has some advantages as > >> you > >> >> >> wrote. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> However, I would also very much like to add a platform > that's > >> >> running > >> >> >> >> from > >> >> >> >> >> somewhere on my local disk, as I described in my feature > >> request > >> >> in > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> doc. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> So I propose a flag like cordova platform add android > >> >> >> >> >> --target=../../cordova-android where that local directory > can > >> >> have > >> >> >> >> >> whatever locally patched code I want. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Braden > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> > >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>> Right now we put the release of Cordova into the npm > package > >> for > >> >> >> >> >>> cordova-cli and we version lock the two. (Codova/CLI 2.5.x > === > >> >> >> >> >>> Cordova/Platform 2.5.latest). > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> We did this because: > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> - has to work offline > >> >> >> >> >>> - cannot have a Git dep to do development > >> >> >> >> >>> - issue tracking locked to the real version of Cordova > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> We can solve all these issues. The code to do that isn't > >> really a > >> >> >> huge > >> >> >> >> >>> deal. But to add it we gain very little that isn't already > >> >> achieved > >> >> >> by > >> >> >> >> >>> vendoring. I'd like for us to be aware the current can be > >> >> improved > >> >> >> but > >> >> >> >> >>> its low priority compared to, say, ripple and plugin > >> integration. > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >
