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On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com> > wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I'm asking because of this: >>> https://twitter.com/TheASF/status/472089851693891584 >>> >>> So, another criticism of the ASF is the fact that as committers we >>> have zero say on the process because committers aren't members, and >>> only members can really cause any change. I question the >>> effectiveness of this given that the board for the most part hasn't >>> changed in years. >>> >>> Furthermore, as a project of the ASF, we have no idea what's going on >>> with the project that holds the copyright for our code. >> >> The same situation exists with Cordova's project-specific private list >> from the perspective of Cordova users who are not PMC members, no? > > The only thing that SHOULD be private on the lists is the selection of > PMC members and security issues, and a part of me doesn't even like > the latter very much when things are already public elsewhere (i.e. in > BugTraq). I personally get annoyed when other things show up on > private because it feels like we're being dishonest and hiding > something from our users. There's also the fact that people use > private lists to say things that they wouldn't dare say in public. > I'll happily be rude to someone in public to their face, because to do > otherwise is dishonest. > >> Ideally, only subjects which truly require discretion such as personnel >> issues, security, trademarks and so on get discussed on private lists. >> In practice, things are messy and sometimes conscious effort is required >> to move conversations public, but the diversity of the ASF Membership >> guards against subterfuge at the org level just as the diversity of the >> Cordova PMC guards against it at the project level. >> > > What sort of subterfuge are you referring to? It isn't related to > this thread on legal, is it? > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201406.mbox/browser
