Thanks for the summary, Carlos! Sorry, I hadn’t read the whole thread when I sent my question. I read up after your email, and I have a better grasp on it now. My new questions are below.
1. What is the `cordova create` command then doing if it’s copying (potentially) the whole app it’s trying to create? The `--copy-from` flag creates fresh copies of Cordova-specific files and only copies the `www` folder, which is app-agnostic anyway. 2. Isn’t the new flag basically the same as an invocation of `cp` or `git clone`? And if we’re going into the realm of examining the template and “filling in” potentially missing files, isn’t that a logical nightmare since there are so many possible things that could be missing in an app? Kindly, Dmitry > On Dec 5, 2015, at 7:00 AM, Carlos Santana <csantan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The email thread has the details but in summary: > It doesn't handle npm and git as source > It doesn't copy everything > By adding npm and git having the flag copy-from it's confusing. > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:04 PM Dmitry Blotsky <dblot...@microsoft.com> > wrote: > >> Hey folks. Sorry I'm late to the party, but why is `--copy-from` not >> sufficient? >> >> Kindly, >> Dmitry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantan...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 10:09 AM >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates >> >> Michael we will love to hear your feedback, and we can improve on top of >> what's initially there. >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:04 PM Carlos Santana <csantan...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Michael >>> Links to PRs where available for a while on the proposal. >>> >>> https://github.com/apache/cordova-lib/pull/339 >>> https://github.com/apache/cordova-cli/pull/226 >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:33 AM Michael Brooks >>> <mich...@michaelbrooks.ca> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I'd love to see a pull request rather than a straight up merge, since >>>> the template discussion was more involved. Also, I'm really looking >>>> forward to seeing your work on this! >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Carlos Santana <csantan...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I will be working later today with James from my team on merging >>>>> initial implementation of --template. it will update a few repos >>>>> (cli, lib, doc) >>>>> >>>>> Anyone oppose? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:50 PM Carlos Santana >>>>> <csantan...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> alias, deprecate and later remove >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:49 PM Carlos Santana >>>>>> <csantan...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree, --template is the new --copy-from :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:48 PM Shazron <shaz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, we could deprecate --copy-from, and alias --template to it. >>>> But >>>>>>>> we shouldn't have both, it should just be one implementation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Carlos Santana < >>>> csantan...@gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> In some way we we are enhancing --copy-from >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm OK to the copy blindly even plugins and platforms, I was >>>> trying >>>>> to >>>>>>>>> avoid people creating templates when is not need it if they >>>> already >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> platforms and plugins >>>>>>>>> But I'm OK if we want to allow it, but I would not documented >>>>>>>>> :-) >>>> it >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>> happens to work >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but I don't like the "--copy-from" name, I want to use >>>> "--template" >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> takes path, giturl, and npm name >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:41 PM Carlos Santana < >>>> csantan...@gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What dynamic nature you want ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think using yeoman is bad idea, we tried at work at is a >>>>>>>>>> huge >>>>>>>> dependency >>>>>>>>>> in terms of foot print and number of dependencies. >>>>>>>>>> We then learned that just using the inquirer npm package >>>>>>>>>> gave us >>>>> what >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>> wanted to create an interactive experience in the CLI >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> At least the first implementation I want to keep it simple, >>>>>>>>>> but >>>> you >>>>>>>>>> brought a good point about dynamic. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I will update proposal, add that if user passed any of the >>>> optional >>>>>>>>>> arguments for create like app-id, app-name, or app-version >>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> replace the >>>>>>>>>> ones in the template. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I will double check with James to see if already implemented >>>> this in >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>> current PR, if not then will added. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It terms of dynamic I think after we get the first >>>>>>>>>> implementation >>>>>>>> out, I >>>>>>>>>> would like to enhance on top of it with allowing the >>>>>>>>>> template to >>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> scripts that can run >>>>>>>>>> like before_create and after_create, then the template can >>>> specify >>>>>>>> this in >>>>>>>>>> the scripts object of the package.json and cordova cli just >> runs. >>>>>>>> This way >>>>>>>>>> template owner can run what ever they want even inquirer to >>>>>>>>>> ask >>>>>>>> questions >>>>>>>>>> to user for additional things to setup with the template. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [1]: >>>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a% >>>>>>>>>> 2f%2fwww.npmjs.com%2fpackage%2finquirer&data=01%7c01%7cdblot >>>>>>>>>> sky%40microsoft.com%7c9fb3634d35ba45cd7a7508d2fcd60177%7c72f >>>>>>>>>> 988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=cGhgCrxXQToX3DsPn2Om >>>>>>>>>> UCsTQtcWl11IjuPpgRdFlco%3d >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 1:56 PM Parashuram N < >>>>> panar...@microsoft.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ReactNative init does use yeoman - that is a good idea !! >>>> However, >>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>>> that mean that we need to depend on Yeoman also ? Does it >>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>> sense >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> simply have a separate yeoman generator ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/15, 10:10 AM, "Gorkem Ercan" >>>>>>>>>>> <gorkem.er...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> How about adding support for some more dynamic generation. >>>>>>>>>>>> Can we add yeoman as an option something like $cordova >>>>>>>>>>>> create >>>>> myApp >>>>>>>>>>>> --template=yo:m >>>>>>>>>>>> to invoke the generator m ? >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Gorkem >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Nov 2015, at 19:52, Carlos Santana wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Parashuram >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would say that if they have "platforms" and "plugins" >>>>>>>>>>>>> it's >>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>> consider a >>>>>>>>>>>>> template, its consider a cordova project ready to be use >>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>> need >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> run >>>>>>>>>>>>> create on it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as cp-from, it's doesn't copy much only www and >>>>>>>> config.xml, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> want to change it's behavior for backwards >>>>>>>>>>>>> compatibility. I >>>>> think >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>> be good to mark it deprecated for a certain period of >>>>>>>>>>>>> time, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for deprecating the copy-from. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 5:19 PM Parashuram N < >>>>>>>> panar...@microsoft.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, they would. However, there could be cases where >>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks >>>>> would >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have templates that have changes stuff in platforms, or >>>> added >>>>>>>> custom >>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins or hooks. I think that instead of adding extra >>>>>>>>>>>>>> code >>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevent all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these things, we keep things simple, and copy over >>>> everything. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates can then decide what they want to do, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of >>>>> them >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bundle plugins or platforms. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:16 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the plugins and platforms are listed in config.xml, >>>> wouldn't >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get fetched on prepare? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Parashuram N >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <panar...@microsoft.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it should copy platform and plugins folders, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>> those >>>>>>>> are a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part of the template. I think the guidance should be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>> most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates should not include a platform or a plugin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folder, >>>>> but >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do - for reasons like custom plugins, etc, then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>> should >>>>>>>> let >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that happen. The only enhancement from --copy-from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be >>>>>>>> that we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>> support npm and git URLs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantan...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 1:26 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Parashuram >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The template doesn't any special structure, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current >>>> hello >>>>>>>> app in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> npm is already a template >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will add comment in PR about having fixtures in tests >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses cases with different type of templates >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The code copies everything except plugins and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms >>>>>>>> directories, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe it needs some comments to make it more clear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It should copy dot files like .gitignore, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .editorconfig, >>>>>>>> .bowerrc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important at least for me .gitignore, it helps when >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks >>>> ask >>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should ignore platforms and plugins from source >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control and >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is always YES. If they are asking then it means they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need >>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 3:27 PM Parashuram N >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <panar...@microsoft.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 to the proposal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a structure of a sample template ? Also, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>> seems to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copy everything from npm or the gitURL, though in the >>>>> proposal >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say that dot file and hooks/platforms should not be >>>> copies. >>>>>>>> Should >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we talk about that in the proposal too ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 12:01 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, nothing to add here but +1. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, the only thing I'd add is that I wish there was a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way >>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *permanently* set a template. I hate the default >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordova >>>>>>>> template >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (sorry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) and would love to make the CLI always use my own >>>>> particular >>>>>>>>>>>>>> template. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ryan J. Salva >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rsa...@microsoft.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I love it! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rjs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan J. Salva | Principal Program Manager Lead >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visual >>>>> Studio >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tools for Apache Cordova rsa...@microsoft.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 206 612 5079 mobile >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantan...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 7:49 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the Face2Face meeting updating the cordova cli >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>> work >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates sounded like a good feature to add to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CLI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I finally got around to this and created the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal and >>>>> got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubee from our team to take a stab at implementation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CLI-Template proposal [1] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/cordova/cordova-discuss/blob/master/proposal >>>>>>>> s/C >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -T >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=emplates.md&; >>>>>>>> dat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a= >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com >>>>>>>> %7ce586e8f64dae4418c1b708d2ea158 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9e >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=kctEUezjtECUIvZQ >>>>>>>> cih >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uydWn7HfTJO8c7W0LTz98U%3d >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Carlos >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> =============================================================== >>>>>>>> ===== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> == ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for >>>> MobileFirst >>>>> at >>>>>>>> IBM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email : raymondcam...@gmail.com Blog : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.raymondcamde >>>>> n >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .c >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> om&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com >>>>>>>>>>> %7c92e5feab0e524d2dbc8008d >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2e >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> a09af88%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=xMtq2oC%2b >>>>>>>> %2b%2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bNlOcIKlStSkgUUuiGDKbq7KuNMHLiVU%3d >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: raymondcamden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>> dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>> dev-h...@cordova.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>> dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>> dev-h...@cordova.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>>>>>>>>>> dev-h...@cordova.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org
