Sorry for top posting. We dont want gatekeepers, I have updated the podling report with my suggestions
link is https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2015 Search for Corinthia. If you dont have a wiki account, and want changes....either make a wiki account, or mail the list and I will do the edit. Report will be frozen wednesday 7 of january. rgds jan i. On 31 December 2014 at 20:41, Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote: > Minor technicality: It's our first Incubator report. > > -- replying below to -- > From: jan i [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 09:03 > To: [email protected]; Dennis Hamilton > Subject: Re: time for our first "board" report. > > On 31 December 2014 at 17:32, Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > The copied material below is very difficult to follow. I find it more > > useful to look at the material in the form it is in at > > <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2015>. > > > If we agree on it, I can add my suggestions to the wiki. I was just > hesitating to make "my" wording public, before the community at large had > their say. > > <orcmid> > It is easier to see it in context, and those new to this can see > how other podlings work out their reports. > </orcmid> > > > > > Questions: > > 1. When must this be completed and signed off so the shepherd can > > add remarks, mentors can sign off, and it is available on time > > for inclusion in the IPMC report to the board? > > > If you look at the top of the wiki page, you will see (extract): > > January 7, report due. > January 11, shepherd review > January 13, mentor signoff > > Our shepherd is Raphael Bircher, which some of us know from AOO. I will > contact him directly once we agree on the report. > > > > > > 2. This file is available for anyone to edit (committers at least). > > Is there some objection to having anyone with Incubator Wiki > > editing rights from also working on this report? It is unusual > > in my experience for there to be so much gatekeeping. (Of > > course there should be accounting for changes and discussion > > here.) > > > I would prefer that we make one edit once we agree. I would NOT like to use > that wiki as our discussion place. Actually I have to say this a bit > stronger, if we all edit that file, I will not edit it. > > I strongly feel, we should NOT make our answers available on that wiki > before we agree on the content. I promise for next month our wiki will be > up and running, and then our report will be available there. On OUR wiki I > agree that everybody shall edit directly, and once agreed to ONE PPMC, move > the responses to the incubator Wiki. > > I hope the difference between OUR discussion and PUBLIC discussion are > clear...we as a community must be able to discuss freely, without going > public. > > <orcmid> > I have never seen a situation where this was a problem. > I can't imagine it being a problem with the project being so small. > It is true that if there is disagreement, it should not turn into > edit wars on the wiki. It should be discussed on the list. > My experience is that there is collaborative refinement and it all > works by effective consensus. > I am concerned that we're putting too much friction into this > pretty-straightforward activity. > </orcmid> > > We have a problem this month, because I have not had enough spare cycles to > make our wiki available, hence the "rescue" procedure. If needed I can > extract the question, and my suggested answer. > > <orcmid> > Please do. > </orcmid> > > <orcmid> > I don't understand the quandary here. > I am concerned that there is too much gate-keeping and that > makes the gate-keeper a bottleneck. > I'm not certain what is being rescued either. There are 7 days > to work this out. > </orcmid> > > @dennis please read my words positively, because in essence I agree with > transparency....but towards our community, not the world. > > <orcmid> > It seems that there are different ideas about community as it is > and we wish it to become. We are already visible to the world > that wants to pay attention. The ASF sets up that way. Part of > transparency has to do with visibility to future interested > parties and also their recognition of how accountability is > demonstrated here. > </orcmid> > > rgds > jan i. > > > > > - Dennis > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jan i [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 07:05 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: time for our first "board" report. > > > > Hi all. > > > > The procedure for podling reports is pretty simple. > > > > - For the first 3 month we have to submit a report every month, then > every > > 3 month. > > - Reports are done in the wiki > > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2015 > > - It is the PPMC responsibility to fill out the reports. > > - The mentors must sign off the report, for it to be accepted. > > > > > > The report follow a template, I have copied it below, look for > > "TO_BE_AGREED_ON", that is our text. I have made a proposal but hope to > get > > many comments: > > > > --------------------CorinthiaCorinthia is a toolkit/application for > > converting between and editing commonoffice file formats, with an > > initial focus on word processing. It is designedto cater for multiple > > classes of platforms - desktop, web, and mobile - andrelies heavily on > > web technologies such as HTML, CSS, and JavaScript forrepresenting and > > manipulating documents. The toolkit is small, portable, andflexible, > > with minimal dependencies. The target audience is developers wishingto > > include office viewing, conversion, and editing functionality into > > theirapplications.Corinthia has been incubating since 2014-12-08.Three > > most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: 1. > > TO_BE_AGREED_ON, complete the move to ASF infrastructure 2. > > TO_BE_AGREED_ON, Discuss and decide on a medium term roadplan 3. > > TO_BE_AGREED_ON, Grow the communityAny issues that the Incubator PMC > > (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to beaware of?TO_BE_AGREED_ON none.How > > has the community developed since the last report?TO_BE_AGREED_ON We > > have spend a lot of mail on getting acquainted and finding the > > strength of each other. > > > > Now discussion are flowing freely. We have consensus on PPMC == > > Committer as long as we are in incubator.How has the project developed > > since the last report? > > TO_BE_AGREED_ON, We are working hard on making a stable kernel, so we > > can more easily add more developers. > > Date of last release: TO_BE_AGREED_ON noneWhen were the last > > committers or PMC members elected?TO_BE_AGREED_ON 31-12-2014 added 1 > > committer/PPMCSigned-off-by: [ ](corinthia) Daniel Gruno [ > > ](corinthia) Jan IversenShepherd/Mentor notes:-------------------- > > > > I will update the wiki once we have agreed to the text, and ask daniel > > to sign together with me. > > > > Looking forward to hear your comments. > > rgds > > jan I. > > > > > >
