Yes, but it's very noisy, and I wanted to get absolute clarification. Thanks. 
I'll do it now.

On 22 Mar 2010, at 15:08, Jan Lehnardt wrote:

> 
> On 22 Mar 2010, at 04:12, Noah Slater wrote:
> 
>> So, are we officially good to go?
>> 
>> Can I upload the artefact from the current tag, or do I need to retag the 
>> 0.11.x branch?
> 
> You'll need to re-tag. Are you not on comm...@? :)
> 
> Cheers
> Jan
> --
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> On 21 Mar 2010, at 19:00, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 21 Mar 2010, at 13:38, Robert Dionne wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Ok Noah,  This is only a test case issue, and not in the changes code as I 
>>>> though. Jan found the issue and it works fine for me now in both FF and 
>>>> CLI. -- Bob
>>> 
>>> As an added bonus, the test suite should now work 100% in WebKit (for me at 
>>> least :)
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Jan
>>> --
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 21, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 21 Mar 2010, at 12:24, Robert Dionne wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 21, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 21 Mar 2010, at 12:10, Noah Slater wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What are the CLI tests, if not the etap tests? Are they integrated 
>>>>>>>> into the build system?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The CLI tests are the same as the browser tests, just run through our 
>>>>>>> couchjs binary
>>>>>>> that has custom HTTP extensions to make the xhr work. At this point I 
>>>>>>> don't think it
>>>>>>> is reliable enough to mimic browser behaviour and that we shouldn't use 
>>>>>>> it for vetting
>>>>>>> the state of the code.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is likely true, but in this particular case I think there's a bug 
>>>>>> in the changes code (that I'm trying to dig out). It's nice that it 
>>>>>> works on your machine but on my machine, using FF, it fails often 
>>>>>> enough. Moreover it's been around for a long time now so I figure it's 
>>>>>> worth figuring out. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't have a dog in this fight (.ie. a paying customer) so this 
>>>>>> failure doesn't bother me. With respect to policy, given the various 
>>>>>> bogocities of browsers, I'd recommend something like these CLI tests 
>>>>>> plus the etaps ought to be the "official"  tests for vetting, and part 
>>>>>> of the build
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not that I disagree, but part (most?) of the appeal of the browser based 
>>>>> tests are that they run in a real-world client instead of the lab that is 
>>>>> couchjs+http :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Jan
>>>>> --
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It is very useful when developing new code to not have to switch to and 
>>>>>>> reload the
>>>>>>> browser over and over again.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 21 Mar 2010, at 17:05, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 21 Mar 2010, at 06:04, Robert Dionne wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 21, 2010, at 4:00 AM, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 Mar 2010, at 20:06, Paul Davis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Noah Slater <[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think faulty test case should block the release, if I am to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> future sanity preparing releases. I don't want to delay and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer, so if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you guys are absolutely sure this is a test error and not code 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> error, then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> propose that the test be commented out. Our tests form a contract 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>>>> us, internally, and our users. If that contract has a bug, it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed or fixed - or it simply dilutes the importance of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contract. If some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one comments out the test, and we agree it is not indicative of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an important
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bug, I can call the vote within hours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd have to agree on this. From the point of view of a release, if 
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> test reports a failure then it should be made to not report a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> failure.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If that's accomplished by disabling it, then there will be a commit
>>>>>>>>>>>> with a message that explains why it was disabled and etc and such 
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> and so forth.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd do that if the test was failing for me :)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> it's not failing for you when you run changes.js with the CLI ?  
>>>>>>>>>> Fails for me every time. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I don't consider the CLI tests as part of the official test suite 
>>>>>>>>> just yet.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway I poked at this a bit yesterday and am not 100% sure the 
>>>>>>>>>> issue is in the test. I tried putting a sleep in with no luck. If my 
>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the JS is correct, CouchDB is supposed to be 
>>>>>>>>>> synchronous so it's not timing.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If someone could comment on the test itself it would be helpful. The 
>>>>>>>>>> section of the code that fails:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> // changes get all_docs style with deleted docs
>>>>>>>>>> var doc = {a:1};
>>>>>>>>>> db.save(doc);
>>>>>>>>>> db.deleteDoc(doc);
>>>>>>>>>> var req = CouchDB.request("GET", 
>>>>>>>>>> "/test_suite_db/_changes?filter=changes_filter/bop&style=all_docs");
>>>>>>>>>> var resp = JSON.parse(req.responseText);
>>>>>>>>>> TEquals(3, resp.results.length, "should return matching rows");
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> seems odd to me. all_docs as I read the code will return docs with 
>>>>>>>>>> deletes and conflicts but in this call the filter bop will not apply 
>>>>>>>>>> to the doc {a:1} so I'm not sure what this delete prior to the call 
>>>>>>>>>> is about. Anyway I can make it fail in the debugger so perhaps I can 
>>>>>>>>>> find the root cause.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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