Octavian, I think Jan was just saying that Futon.Next should be part of our current focus.
The 1.3 release is orthogonal. We cut it when we cut it. :) On 6 November 2012 17:06, Octavian Damiean <[email protected]> wrote: > Quick question. Apparently I misunderstood something in the first meeting > because I was thinking that Futon.Next is such a if it's ready for 1.3 we > ship it if not then in 1.4. > > I'm asking because Futon.Current can do everything necessary at the moment, > which makes Futon.Next a non-stopper in my opinion. I'm just asking, not > trying to discuss or propose anything. > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I think this is a great initiative Jan. > > > > I am sure there are a few people right now who are thinking "Hey, but I > am > > working on X, and Jan didn't mention X, so is X important? Or is Jan > > telling me I shouldn't be working on X?" Well, I understand that. As it > > happens, I am working on the docs, and Jan didn't mention them. > > > > But I don't think the idea is that anything not on the list is > unimportant, > > or that if you're working on something else, then you should stop. Just > > that we need to have a regularly updated list of our current PROJECT > LEVEL > > focus. > > > > And so, with that caveat out of the way... > > > > Jan, as this is your initiative, can I ask you to start a page on the > wiki? > > We should document this. > > > > I think the wiki page should probably have three things on it. A list of > > our current focus areas. An archived list of previous focus areas. And a > > list of areas to focus on in the future. > > > > I think we should also review this monthly. Each month, review the > current > > focus areas, see what has been done and what has not. Archive the list. > > Create a new one for the current month. And decide on whether we want to > > add any other items. This should be a dev-level decision making process, > > perhaps in the first IRC meeting of the month. > > > > A monthly email to both user and dev, along with general project status, > > might be a good thing to come out of this too. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > On 6 November 2012 15:47, Jan Lehnardt <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > I’m trying something new here. Please send any feedback you might have. > > > > > > DISCLAIMER: I won’t keep anyone working on or discussing anything. All > I > > > want is find a way to make us all more productive. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > With that out of the way: > > > > > > > > > Let’s Focus! > > > > > > > > > My hypothesis is this: > > > > > > This group, dev@, has a limited amount of time and attention to move > > > CouchDB forward. We have so many important things to do that it is very > > > hard for us to say “no” to any one thing that is brought up. > > Historically, > > > whenever there is a surge of activity, we (myself definitely included) > > tend > > > to bring up more issues than we can work on at a time and as a result > we > > > end up doing less than we could. > > > > > > > > > My proposal to solve this: > > > > > > Say “no”. > > > > > > More specifically, we need to learn to say “no” to things that, while > > they > > > are definitely important, are not important enough “right now” and > should > > > be deferred to a later time. > > > > > > For example, currently I think our most important topics are: > > > > > > - Get CORS and docs into shape that we can merge them to master/1.3.x > > > - Ship 1.3.0 > > > - Help the Futon.Next folks out as much as we can to build & deliver > > > Futon.Next. > > > > > > At the same time, there are many more discussions going on that are > > > distracting us from the points above done. > > > (This includes my Plugins Proposal, I am clearly guilty of this.) > > > > > > Note that the list above is a strong “in my opinion”, your shortlist is > > > likely to differ and that’s great. We as a group need to figure out > > > together what the things are that we care about *and* that we can care > > > about at any one time. > > > > > > This includes things we discuss on dev@, in the weekly meetings, > patches > > > we request reviews & comments on. > > > > > > I strongly believe that when we can agree on a short list of things we > > > care about, and get them done, and *then* move on to the next few > things, > > > we’ll get more accomplished than we do right now. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > It would be illusionary to imagine a fully sequential workflow, so I > > won’t > > > pretend we should try to achieve that, we’ll always have things going > on > > at > > > the same time, some by different group members, some by the same > people. > > I > > > also don’t suggest to add a layer of classical project management. Some > > > discussions are broader (BigCouch merge, source reorg) and need more > > time, > > > others should be resolved quickly. And to reiterate the disclaimer, I > > won’t > > > keep anyone from working on or discussing anything at any time. > > > > > > All I suggest is that we, as a group, are a little more mindful about > the > > > things we can handle at any one point. This will change depending on > how > > > much time each of us can spend in a given week or month. I hope over > time > > > the list of things we can do at a time grows, as we add more members to > > the > > > dev team (hello Futon.Next folks! :) > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > In practical terms, I’ll be asking the questions “is this relevant > right > > > now?” and “should this be on our short list of things to care about?” a > > lot > > > more often, and I hope, given you agree with the broad strokes above, > can > > > do the same. > > > > > > Thanks for your time and attention! > > > > > > Cheers > > > Jan > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > NS > > > -- NS
